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thewhofartedlook OP
Aug 14, 2025 at 08:36 PM ET
If you could change one moment in Virginia Tech Fooball
Over the last 20 years what would it be? A. Marcus doesn’t get booted and plays the 06’ season B. Frank doesn’t pull Tyrod’s shirt in 07’ and 08’ and plays the 2011 season (you most likely give up our 2 b2b ACC titles) C. Jerrod Evans stays for 2017 season and because of that Ford and Bucky stay too D. Covid never happens and we see what that 2020 team had for us ** Edited by thewhofartedlook at 8/14/2025, 8:37:47 PM

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TboneParkerVT
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Vick doesn't turn wrong way on first drive of national championship game
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VToncologyNurse
11mo
Oh, come on! None of these. The 2007 BC game.
Why is THAT not on the list? If practically ANY play in the last 4 min changes, VT wins. And that would have put VT in the national championship game that year, ultimately, That was the most painful game in VT history. Rest of these are "so what" moments in comparison.
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thewhofartedlook OP
11mo
I still don’t think we play for NC that year. LSU loss was too bad
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Stech
11mo
I think pulling the Tyrod RS was huge, we got mauled by LSU anyway, and 1
more year of Tyrod would have been fantastic for both Virginia Tech and Tyrod. Tyrod like Ronald Curry who also didn’t Red Shirt got the injury bug. That one year of putting muscle on the body without hits on the body matters a lot. It’s not just in football, but because of violent hits in football, it makes a big difference.
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CMU Hokie
11mo
Two for me
The FSU 4th down conversion - a stop there and I think we run away with it. That play is more haunting than any horror movie I’ve ever watched. The Matty Ice TD - probably back in the NC game but that team wasn’t as good as ‘99.
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hokies5007
11mo
Xavier Adibi injury in 2004 USC game
Understandably everyone thinks of the offensive PI but I wonder if Reggie Bush could have been held in check if Adibi was healthy the whole game. Might have changed some of the outcomes the rest of the season too.
HoakieBS HoakieBS
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Danny Coale call on field verified. !
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OldRetiredHokie
11mo
The game I broke a bottle of gin in my pants.
Don't remember who the hell we were playing?
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NokieHokie
11mo
The 05 Miami game... That was an epic fail!
GSOHokie01 GSOHokie01
11mo
I still believe Marcus intentionally had a terrible game.
No proof, but it jives with his character. He looked and played like a true freshman QB, never playing a college game in his life. It was so bad it almost looked intentional.
Hokebury Hokebury
11mo
The BS offensive pass interference call against us vs USC at Fed Ex. If
not called, we could have scored and won that game....
hokiepro hokiepro
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Yup
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summervillehokie
11mo
Not killing the
"STICK IT IN" Chant
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st_andrew
11mo
Underrated: non call on Justin Hamilton PI late in Pitt ‘03
Win that Pitt game and ‘03 could have had totally different finish.
reestuart reestuart
11mo
Ugh. I bet there's still a pic in the TSL archives.
Will Stewart Will Stewart
11mo
Yep, we still bear that cross
hokiepro hokiepro
11mo
We just keep piling up evidence that the Hokies never get key calls
To go their way late in a game that leads to a win Somewhere there’s a pic of Jalen Hudson getting mauled by Duke players on what would’ve been a game winner Last year’s Miami overturn The Danny Coale game The entire first quarter of the ACCCG vs Clemson in 2016 The fumble we got vs UK in the Belk bowl that no ref saw and wasn’t reviewed The overturn of Bre Peck’s run vs Bama in softball regionals Sigh… but it’s just me I guess
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thewhofartedlook OP
11mo
Don’t even get me started on the 05’ ACC Title game vs FSU
proudhokie2001 proudhokie2001
11mo
how about the pass interference against USC at fedex?
hokiepro hokiepro
11mo
I literally can’t list them all.
Too many to name
91HokieBob 91HokieBob
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The phantom PI vs USC at FedEx also comes to mind, 2004 IIRC. Probably win
that game without that effed up call which would have changed the perception if not reality we fold like chairs on the big stage games.
proudhokie2001 proudhokie2001
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beat me to it
Atlee Hokie Atlee Hokie
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I will not say we'd have won that game, but I ....
... sure would have to see it play out. We were ahead at that point, if I remember correctly. The play that was called back had gained a lot of yards. I could easily see us, with that momentum, score again, putting us up 2 scores.
hokiepro hokiepro
11mo
Yep it was 3rd down also
We led 10-7; the play put us in FG range at minimum but it was deep in USC territory. Instead we punted from our own 20, and 3 plays later Reggie Bush gave them the lead on a pass play
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
11mo
It would have been interesting to see if the defense would have held Reggie
Bush in check in the second half because VT was poised to score a TD on that drive.
RhinoVT RhinoVT
11mo
How about this: Whit hires Bud Foster instead of Fuente? I don't think I
want that change b/c by all accounts Fuente was a home run hire, but what if . . . ? Where would be today? Of course, if Bud sucked, how would Whit fire him? Interesting to ponder . . .
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GreenvilleVT
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We don’t lose to old dominion at their high school stadium.
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Diehard Hokie
11mo
National championship... most say Vick not fumbling on first drive, but...
I say we stop FSU when they went for it on 4th and 2 in their territory early in the 4th quarter. We had taken all the momentum in that game, and if we stop them on that 4th and 2, I think it's lights out for them. Kudos to Bobby Bowden for having the cajones to go for it there.
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hoki4ever
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Vick fumbling wasn't the problem....
the problem was he turned the wrong way (left) coming out from under center. If he turns right like he was supposed to, he either walks into the end zone or pitches to Kendrick who walks in.
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thewhofartedlook OP
11mo
How about Weinke’s fumble that was blown dead?
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CMU Hokie
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Or Vick getting mauled out of bounds - unfortunately the ref did too
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marcbvtgm
11mo
I like both of these. I'd add the phantom offensive PI call vs USC.
I think any of those 3 would have likely significantly changed the arc of VT football like no others.
reestuart reestuart
11mo
underrated point in the game. There was also a missed personal foul on FSU
that ended up in a VT FG when it should have been a first and goal. I can't remember what quarter that was, but Vick got drilled a good 2-3 yards OOB on a third down play.
hokiepro hokiepro
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3rd qtr; would’ve been 28-21 instead of 28-17
We’d have tied it with next TD and taken lead by 7 instead of 1 We went for 2 twice and failed…if we’d been kicking XP instead it’d have been 35-28 VT
reestuart reestuart
11mo
yeah, no guarantees VT can pull it out. I think they were gassed by
the 4th quarter, but there were a couple of huge spots that would have made it a lot more interesting in the end.
RhinoVT RhinoVT
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I mentioned below but Corey Moore batting a screen pass and not chasing it
thinking it was an incomplete pass instead of a lateral. He goes after that and scoop and scores?
reestuart reestuart
11mo
Great chance of it IMO.
RhinoVT RhinoVT
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Oh, got lost in the thread and didn't realize I gave you the same post in
2 different spots. Sorry. All of this is kind of depressing . . .
reestuart reestuart
11mo
LOL! I can't believe it has been 25 years. Feels like 5. Maybe 10.
Atlee Hokie Atlee Hokie
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Seems like forever ago to me.
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ForgeHokie
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Recovering the Fumble in the Rain vs. BC
Would have been interesting to see if we would have played for another national title.
RhinoVT RhinoVT
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Changing my vote to this. The onside kick. BC was #2 then. We smacked
them in the ACC title game though.
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PWR2LZ
11mo
The money in my wallet was soaking wet from that game, and I stood for
most of it...
hokiepro hokiepro
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Failing to score & win on 1st & goal at WVU
In 2021
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st_andrew
11mo
Yep. WVU led to ND loss. Beat ND and we are 5-0 with wins over UNC, WVU, ND
Pitt still steamrolled us but we are probably top 10 at that point.we prob finish with 9+ wins. Fuente survives season, 2022 disaster never happens, etc.
hokiepro hokiepro
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Don’t think Pitt steamrolls us if those other games
Go better/if we were in contention at that point
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st_andrew
11mo
Agreed, but it’s hard to ignore. Definitely think we beat SU. 9-10 wins?
RhinoVT RhinoVT
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How about Evans throws a TD pass at the end of the ACC Champ game instead
of a pick that ended it? Would we have held? Don't know but if we're limited to one moment, that's my pick.
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radhokie1
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I wish Fuente had gone for 1 after taking a 3rd qtr lead vs ND in 2021.
I didn't agree but was ok with going for 2 initially, but hated it after the penalty.
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Fore_Hokies
11mo
We beat FSU in the championship and are now in the SEC
great2bahokie great2bahokie
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^^^This is the clear answer^^^ 4th quarter in the 2000 Sugar Bowl.
RhinoVT RhinoVT
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Except the question was limited to the last 20 years and one moment. All
time, I think it is that game, when Corey Moore batted a screen pass but thought it was incomplete instead of a fumble. If he chases that and turns it into a TD?
reestuart reestuart
11mo
Another huge missed opportunity in that game. At worst, it's VT with the
ball at around the 10 or so yard line, IIRC.
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
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None of the above. The one moment I would have changed is Wilford catching
the 2-pt conversion pass in 2001 game against #1 Miami to tie the game late in the 4th Quarter.
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Pride_and_Joy
11mo
That’s not in the last 20 years though.
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
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Hence why I said none of the above because there is nothing worth changing
in the last 20 years that is significant enough to alter VT's trajectory. For those types of changes, people should look to the late '90s through early '00s during VT's "window of opportunity."
HoakieBS HoakieBS
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Au Contraire Danny Coale catch verified, we have 2 Sugar Bowl Ws!
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
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Yes, but the second Sugar Bowl win probably wouldn't hold as much value
as say a Sugar Bowl win over Auburn because there is enough evidence out there to support the idea that neither team really deserved to play in the game. At least in terms of the time and energy that would be required to alter the timeline, that Sugar Bowl game probably wouldn't be near the top of the list because other games could have a potentially bigger impact.
Femoyer Hokie Femoyer Hokie
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D without a second thought for millions of reasons.
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George Baylor
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Pry playing Tuten & Drones when both were injured. Same-Same!
Tuckahokie Tuckahokie
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The handcuffing of Fu by the Athletic Dept...put us in a perpetual catch-up
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KCHokie2
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I'd travel back and suspend Peter Warrick. And Gillooly Chris Weinke.
Although preventing the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand should probably come first. ** Edited by KCHokie2 at 8/15/2025, 2:38:10 AM
MP4VT2004 MP4VT2004
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Man, so many other options come to my mind.
Aside from the others suggested below, my other submissions would be: -2001 vs. Miami: Ernest Wilford catches the two-point conversion pass -Jan. 2005 vs. Auburn in Sugar Bowl: Jesse Allen doesn't drop a touchdown pass on 4th and goal -2006 vs. UGA in Chick-fil-A Bowl: VT doesn't attempt an onside kick to begin the second half (or was it UGA that attempted the onside kick and caught VT sleeping? My memory is a bit fuzzy on this, but I remember something unusual happening to start the second half, which seemed to shift the momentum) -2007 vs. BC: Josh Morgan recovers the onside kick after BC's first score late in the 4th quarter -Jan. 2012 vs. Michigan in Sugar Bowl: VT doesn't attempt a fake punt late in the game (or, Ryan Williams doesn't run backwards and lose ~20 yards and take VT out of field goal range. *I think...my memory is a little fuzzy on this specific play, also*)
banishedtothelounge banishedtothelounge
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& it was the UGa successful onside kick to motivate them back into the game
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Pride_and_Joy
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That was David Wilson, not Ryan Williams
MP4VT2004 MP4VT2004
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Ah yes, that's right.
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jecvtmgr
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I just re-watched the 2005 ACC Championship debacle against FSU because...
I am a glutton for punishment. It was a comedy of errors however if J. Morgan doesn't drop a wide open touchdown and we don't give up a punt return TD. We go on to play PSU in the Orange and the Louisville foot stomp never happens. Bringing MV2 back for 2006 (who's to say he doesn't get into some other trouble and gets kicked off anyways). But it would of be nice having him instead of Glennon on the 06 team. That game was the genesis of the future big let down games. Having Jerod back in 2017 is a close 2nd. ** Edited by jecvtmgr at 8/14/2025, 11:22:56 PM
proudhokie2001 proudhokie2001
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we needed MV1 back in 2001!
TomTurkey TomTurkey
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MV1 knows left from right in NC game, though 25 years ago
RRHokie90 RRHokie90
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I honestly think we win that game if Vick goes the right direction...
Hokie Fiji Hokie Fiji
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None of the above and farther back
January 4, 2000 national championship game. We kick a field goal on our first drive/possession instead of Michael Vick fumbling through the end zone on 4th and goal. Starting with a lead might have made a huge difference. And that game represents the biggest missed opportunity in the history of our program.
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PWR2LZ
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Boise State @FedEx field: during our penultimate possession, there was a
long, low percentage-completion pass heaved down field for an incompletion. All we needed was a first down conversion to maintain possession and either run out the clock or punt with a lot less time for Boise State to score. We win that game and its likely we don't lose the next week against JMU (theoretically musing of course.) Now it also didn't help that we didn't score in the first quarter, but that's another story...
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thewhofartedlook OP
11mo
Evans got 5 on 1st.Tyrod fell on the keeper on 2nd down on the last drive.
AnotherTechW AnotherTechW
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Team was total no show the 1q.
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
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The other factor that sometimes gets overlooked with the JMU game is JW's
decision for the team to do the 4-5 (maybe 6) hour bus ride back to Blacksburg instead of flying to a nearby airport and taking a shorter bus ride home. I mention this because the team didn't arrive back in Blacksburg until sometime between 5-6am Tuesday morning. The players were expected to go to class and practice that day which likely meant Tuesday's practice was basically a wasted day. VT really only had Wednesday and Thursday to practice for the JMU game because Friday would still have been the hotel day. If VT had won the Boise State game, then it would have been interesting to see if VT would have still came out sluggish against JMU or not. The only other team that comes to mind in a similar situation as VT is the year FSU played Miami on Monday night and then Jacksonville State the following Saturday. FSU beat Miami and then barely beat Jacksonville State 19-9 in 2009. Jacksonville State was leading 9-7 late in the 4th Quarter until FSU scored a TD with 0:35 to go in the game. Then FSU scored again with 0:21 to go in the game when Jacksonville State fumbled the ball (scoop and score).
Will Stewart Will Stewart
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It was easy to bait Bryan Stinespring into that stuff.
I think one of Stiney's weaknesses was lack of situational awareness. He was more keyed into defensive alignments. What that means is that Boise State lined up a certain way, and VT was coached to chuck the ball down the field when the defense was aligned that way, situation be damned. The Boise State staff knew this, and they knew that in a critical moment in the game, when VT needed just a few yards to get a first down, they could bait Stiney's offense into launching it 30-40 yards downfield just by aligning a certain way. So they did, and VT bit on it. That was a long time ago, but that's what I remember @Raleigh Hokie writing in his post-game analysis. (I'm in a rush and currently don't have the time to look it up.)
Raleigh Hokie Raleigh Hokie
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IMO, that was his biggest weakness as an OC
He could be baited into certain things when the defense gave certain looks. Happened in the Kansas game as well.
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VTCALS72
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The Boise game was uphill from the time David Wilson made what I believe
was a pre meditated move to take the opening kickoff no matter what. That was pure choice. Have you looked at that inc pass enough to know if there was a short route open or semi open that was better than a throw away?
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PWR2LZ
11mo
No I didn't, my post was all just recollection of how I felt when I was
seeing it transpire in person.
VTCC 65 VTCC 65
11mo
& Boise blocking the VT punt was so unnecessary. The 'blocker' had
a clear path to the kicker....punter shoulda called a TO
reestuart reestuart
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VT shouldn't have thrown the ball at all there.
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EDGEMAN
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If we started playing football before we were down 0-21 in that game...
...it might have turned out differently.
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jecvtmgr
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Yep that possesion all we need was one 1st down. We gained 4 on 1st then..
Ran a designed run for TT that lost 2. Leaving 3rd and 6. Then 20 yard go route that had no chance. I think we all knew how the rest was going to go when BSU got the ball back
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thewhofartedlook OP
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That bull**** block in back flag pick up
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jecvtmgr
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I couldn't believe they picked it up. Then we knew it was gametime
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PWR2LZ
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Awesome memory recall jecvtmgr!
hokiepro hokiepro
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Yep. That was our year to go 12-0 in regular season
Not falling behind 17-0 would’ve been nice too