Scenario
I don't know much about all of this realignment but it would seem to make sense for the BIG to pick up VT, UVA, UNC and Pitt. Leaving the SEC to pick off Clemson, Miami, FSU and NC State or Georgia Tech. If my math is correct that would take each league to 20 teams... Does it stop there or do they go to 24 total? I just hope we have a seat when the music stops...
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AAU (lack thereof) is going to hurt us.
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It doesn’t make sense for these conferences to add any more teams than that. Why would they? Florida State and Miami have been a relevant in football for sometime and don’t bring new markets. Florida is already SEC country. North Carolina brings a new market great basketball and a potential sleeping giant in football. I’m sorry Florida State fans but you don’t bring anything but tradition and tradition doesn’t get you a slice of that $95 million a year pie. The Big Ten will get Notre Dame in Oregon. People thinking that Duke, UVA are going to the Big Ten are probably mistaken. This is a football move . They already have doormats schools like Rutgers and Maryland. Again why split the money two more times?
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It's going to be costly for UNC/Clemson...
if they are the only 2 ACC teams to leave. The GOR will hurt them financially for a decade. Both Clemson and UNC would make out better financially in the ACC even with it's lower media revenues. They won't help the SEC.
You may be right that the SEC and B1G may be done expanding at 16. 20 would be easier to schedule/manage than 18. 20 would give the SEC/B1G 4 divisions of 5. 18 gives them 3 divisions of 6. If both conferences settle at 16, that's better news for the ACC.That means the ACC still has Clemson, FSU and UNC. Notre Dame is still a football independent.
** Edited by Old Line Hokie at 7/6/2022, 10:39:19 AM
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Where are the SEC and the Big Ten absorb the rest of the teams of the ACC. It’s just not gonna happen. It makes no sense for those conferences to add more than two, or perhaps four teams each. What does Duke or Virginia add to a football TV contract? For the SEC or the Big Ten? Absolutely nothing. And remember this is football driven.
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Men's college basketball makes a lot of money. The problem is that right now the NCAA gets most of that revenue. But what happens in a few years if the B1G and SEC (and maybe the other major basketball power conferences) decide they are tired of giving all that men's basketball revenue to the NCAA and decide to break away from the NCAA and hold their own basketball tournament. Suddenly Duke and Virginia become much more valuable, especially if paired with North Carolina.
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Also wants GT bad and prob not Pit. Also who they want is not same as who they may ultimately get. For example SEC wants UNC but if/ when UNC leaves it will probably be for the B1G
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I85Hokie
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Better fits academically and adds markets geographically. The SEC will probably go after schools that are a better cultural fit for them - Clemson, VT, NC State, and FSU.
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New football contract? Absolutely nothing. They want Notre Dame, then perhaps Oregon or Washington. They would like North Carolina perhaps. They’ve already gotten Maryland. Virginia with that nothing with football geographically or in terms of football prestige. Why cut that pie into another slice for schools like that. It makes no sense.
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Men's college basketball makes a lot of money. The problem is that right now the NCAA gets most of that revenue. But what happens in a few years if the B1G and SEC (and maybe the other major basketball power conferences) decide they are tired of giving all that men's basketball revenue to the NCAA and decide to break away from the NCAA and hold their own basketball tournament. Suddenly Duke and Virginia become much more valuable, especially if paired with North Carolina.
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360 schools of all sizes. If it becomes a tourney involving just 2 elite conferences it's dead. Its the golden goose for the NCAA
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hokieZ71
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VT will have a seat. At the little table in the corner with UVA, WVU, Louisville, Cincinnati, Pitt, NCST, Wake, etc... Honestly it’s where we belong. And if we fund things correctly we can still be very competitive at a high level in many sports outside football.
We had a good run with Beamer. Didn’t quite capitalize like we should have on the field and our donor base didn’t materialize like it needed to in funding the program.
** Edited by hokieZ71 at 7/6/2022, 8:29:03 AM
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I have no idea if we’re striving for AAU and if so, how close. But I can’t see VT to the BiG as the ONLY non-AAU member. They wouldn’t do that when they could get Washington and Stanford and not compromise their standards.
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just a preference, but a school must demonstrate academic commitment like an AAU institution commits too.
Also the AAU is not our part of the Big 10 and the AAU has been a closed door organization that blocks membership of institutions they like (we know our ACC AAU breatheren has at the basic level refused ot sponsor VT (UNC, Duke, UVA) and frankly Maryland has been the only one to sponsor us (as well as several Big 10 schools (Purdue).... What friends we have. Reason why.. AAU branding is a competitive advantage to these institutions and they dont want new players.
FOr Nebraska and Iowa State, they didnt want to play and wasn't important to them
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…the BIG prefers AAU…if you’re going to go against the grain, do you do it for VT? I doubt it.
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hokieZ71
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VT is closer to earning AAU status than it was but it’s too little too late.
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EDGEMAN
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They still had it when they were invited...
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Nebraska is no longer AAU.
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I think we are quickly reaching the point where remaining teams only
decrease the per team payout. We are much closer to that point then we realise.
There are so many valuable teams in the P2 that not much that is left moves the needle.
The little discussed situation is that while adding teams may increase total revenues for Fox/ESPN, it may reduce per team payouts in the conference.
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After Clemson. It’s a football driven decision first and market decision closely second. North Carolina opens up the entire Charlotte market, and is considered a sleeping giant in football. Virginia Tech could possibly Leah claim to the Virginia market and Northern Virginia market and has a far better football tradition than UVA. But it’s a reach. I see them going after Clemson and North Carolina only. If they have to go after two more, it’s a free-for-all.
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2hhoop3
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parroting that "sleeping giant" line since the 70s or earlier, however, in that 50+ years they've delivered about 2 seasons that might meet that criteria. It is a testament though to their marketing prowess that some actually believe it. It is probably a bigger testimony to the strength of their journalism and comms program that people like Skipper, Kirkpatrick and others reached positions of influence in the industry to where they could effectively advance that myth.
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VPI_1998
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with their fanbase, and it holds them back. If somehow their fanbase goes all-in for football then they can become formidable, but that just hasn't happened and may never happen if the fans don't buy in.
** Edited by VPI_1998 at 7/6/2022, 11:55:32 AM
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vtka93
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People are assuming we are going to 24 team super conferences. if for example, the big 10 does get 100 mill payout each for member with their new contract, then the 8 teams they add will need to almost double their tv contract to keep that amount for 24 teams. Are there 8 teams that do that?
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Vippie1
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geographic common sense it can't happen unless schools band together as a block. The more profitable route is to split traditional rivals.
Hence as I'll repeat ad nauseam , VT needs itself tied first to UVA and second to UnC. There is no way we don't arrive at an acceptable if imperfect outcome if that is accomplished. The states of VA and NC need to be proactive about the conditions that they will allow their public universities to leave the ACC. As discussed yesterday Washington state and Oregon.... government not the schools, apparently are working towards this end.
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If UW/WSU and Ore/OSU have to come together...
the B1G won't take Oregon or Washington. Oregon State and WSU had zero value to the B1G. That's a deal breaker.
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but UVA/VT as a take it or leave it- someone is taking. So it is the thing to do IMO.
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hoodat
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BIG would be wise to get into the Atlanta t.v. market
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