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Conference Realignment Board
2 y ago
Yes. me.
Both are salty rivalries that I look forward to watching. There's nothing more delicious than old, regional, historic hate.
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2 y ago
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2 y ago
Which brings us to the ACC's next move in 2030
+3 minimum to get to 20 schools, at the expense of the Big12. Arizona, ASU, and Utah to get a 5 team western division.
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2 y ago
cancelling ESPN and using YouTube would be a way of punishing ESPN
for creating this gosh-awful crappy mess of conference realignment.
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2 y ago
I'm cautiously optimistic about Clemson with Riley and Klubnik
It's hard to believe what a disaster Streeter and DJ were. Clemson is thin at LB, but they'll run a lot of 4-2-5 this year with a Nickelback since they're 3 deep at safety
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2 y ago
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Banana Slugs! I have a very cool T-shirt with the logo and seal!
** Edited by ren_hoek at 8/30/2023, 3:29:59 PM
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That sums up my view as well
Nothing will pull the ACC even with the SEC, but every little bit helps. The 3 candidates are all very well respected universities too, so that helps.
I have to wonder if this move positions the ACC for an eventual raid the Big12 in 2030 to add Utah and the Arizona schools (i.e. what they should have done months ago, but sat on their hands).
Clemson will most likely leave if and when they have the right opportunity (i.e. near the end of the GOR), but they'll conduct themselves with dignity and class in the meantime (FSU, sneering in your direction).
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2 y ago
despite the abundance of wishful thinking, the GOR won't be affected
I'd expect ESPN to pucker up tighter than a snare drum too.
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2 y ago
The FSU board is a clown show
I'm pretty sure Clemson has the same concerns but conduct themselves much more appropriately.
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2 y ago
Amen
let the Big10 add them and their butt-ugly stepsister from Berkley to the abomination they created. I swear, the next time I hear the words "student athlete" from a Big10 AD I'm going to projectile vomit.
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2 y ago
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2 y ago
Revenue sharing based on success AND P5 OOC scheduling
A comment in the thread below made me think about another criteria for the unequal revenue sharing model. Boston College is the poster child for the pitfalls of socialism - if they get the same paycheck from ESPN as Clemson, FSU, Miami, VT, etc., then why bother scheduling P5 teams OOC? This is an egregious abuse of the revenue sharing model in that they are actively devaluing the ACC media rights by scheduling games that are worthless to ESPN. There should absolutely be a financial penalty for this in the revenue sharing model. I'd be ok with cutting their share by 30% or more. I would propose the following guidelines to get the full revenue share:
1. No more FCS teams. Period.
2. Minimum of 1 P5 game in addition to ND.
3. No road games at G5 schools.
Conference Realignment Board
2 y ago
All they have to do is play one P5 team OOC and I'd shut up. Just one!
They're beyond worthless
** Edited by ren_hoek at 8/14/2023, 9:44:50 PM
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2 y ago
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If it's the double fries no slaw guy, he's a dope head and an idiot
I wouldn't believe him if he said the sky was blue. He's very prone to wearing tin foil hats, IMO. Not the least bit credible.
** Edited by ren_hoek at 8/11/2023, 8:53:22 PM
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2 y ago
FSU can rot; what a pathetic, low class tantrum they threw in public
let them write a check if they want to commit financial suicide.
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2 y ago
that is 100% horsefeathers
It's another internet myth that gets incessantly repeated by Big12 fanboys. New teams are simply added to the GOR. There is no escape hatch for that situation. Imagine how incompetent the ACC lawyers would have to be to leave such a gaping hole in the bylaws.
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I'm about to check out
I will always love Clemson, but I'm about ready to cut my ESPN subscription. TV executives have destroyed college athletics and my interest is rapidly waning.
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2 y ago
He said what a lot of folks are thinking
I'm all about capitalism and making money, but college sports are unrecognizable from their former charm and intrigue.
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3 y ago
The ACC 's biggest issue is
That FSU, Miami, and VT all tanked at the same time, leaving Clemson as the only consistently contending program for a decade. Nobody else consistently wins OOC games. They schedule road games at G5 schools, which makes them more like G5s than P5s. Very few athletic departments emphasized football and focused on non revenue sports instead. They acted like G5s and were content to cash the paychecks that the football schools were earning.
Miami, FSU, VT, NCSU, and UNC need to step up. Beat SEC and big10 teams on the field. Do that and the money will follow.
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3 y ago
Let's not forget that the big10 sucks in both football and basketball
They've consistently underperformed in the NCAA tournament and the CFP. OSU won the CFP in 2014, but I don't think they have advanced to the title game since then.
Conference Realignment Board
3 y ago
No to merger, but
Taking valuable pieces is much more efficient and lucrative. If the ACC were to land Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona State, and Utah, they would have a solid western division and possibly a 6th annual game from ND (Stanford as permanent).
No way we should take Cal. They're nuts and would cause lots of headaches.
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3 y ago
Adding teams does NOT open the GOR for schools to leave
I honestly cannot fathom how anyone believes that nonsense. We'd have to have the dumbest lawyers on the planet to write bylaws with gaping holes like that.
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3 y ago
WVU and Cincinnati are the only viable options on that awful list
And they would crawl across broken glass to get into the ACC.
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3 y ago
Status quo prevails...
Your move, ESPN. Keep the ACC together as a viable home for ND non-football sports or continue to undermine and underpay the ACC into an eventual collapse?
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3 y ago
False
Pro rata for each new team is in the ACC contract, per the author, John Skipper. Travel expenses will go up, but taking more PAC teams and scheduling can mitigate that some. ACC network carriage rates will be the in state rate for every state that has a team, per the contract, which will provide an additional pay increase. This is why you take a California team and a Texas team. SMU isn't an earth shattering addition by any means, but their financials indicate that they can compete.
I'm not giddy about any of that, but it's the best way to make chicken salad out of chicken crap until 2036.
Conference Realignment Board
3 y ago
We don't have to outflank the Big12
The Big12 only has the stability of the unwanted. The ACC has schools that are desirable to the P2 and a dedicated network that is profitable for both ESPN and the ACC.
Adding the valuable PAC schools would be a boon to all parties, including ESPN. It wouldn't pull even dollar-wise, but it would close the gap and help posture the ACC as the 3rd conference. Sadly, the ACC leadership is sorely lacking in guts, boldness, and vision, so it probably won't happen.
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3 y ago
Merger isn't financially viable, but adding a swath of PAC schools is
A few issues need to be resolved...
1. Oregon and Washington are pining for a B1G invite. The question is whether the rest are willing to stick around with them while they wait.
2. Oregon State and Washington State are non starters. Out of the question, no way.
3. Cal sucks at everything and their AD is nearly bankrupt. I'd love to leave them out too.
4. Take one per state to maximize ACC network income: Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona, Utah. That's a 5 team division, nice and neat.
5. Take SMU as the 20th team to get Texas ACC network income. DFW is easy travel for everyone.
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3 y ago
The author of the ACC contract explicitly stated that there is pro rata
For new members. John Skipper, former ESPN CEO said it on multiple interviews recently. And yes, the ACC inexplicably passed on Houston, Cincinnati, and others. They're looking for a huge windfall, ND isn't coming. They should have expanded with the best available, adding large states for ACC network carriage, to best position the ACC as a strong conference to compete with the SEC and B1G.
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You haven't watched his interviews on this
1. He cited a pro rata clause in the ACC contract, which would guarantee that the payouts would not decrease. He has seen the contract, so I'd take that as authoritative.
2. He doesn't work for ESPN anymore, so he has no vested interest to lowball the ACC.
3. He's a UNC grad, so I'd be surprised if he would suggest something that is bad for UNC.
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Consider the source: former ESPN CEO and ACC network architect
The fact that he suggested it implies the financial viability of the concept
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3 y ago
Expanding does not open up the GOR
The new teams just sign onto the GOR. It's such a dumb concept, I have no idea why anyone thinks that these contracts were written by idiots.
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3 y ago
Former CEO of ESPN
Negotiated the creation of the ACC network with Swofford, the previous ACC commissioner. so yeah, I'd consider him a subject matter expert.
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3 y ago
The question is what reopens the contract for negotiation?
The worst thing they could do is "paralysis by analysis". That is a fast track to nowhere. Do what it takes to trigger a renegotiation and hire Skipper as a consultant for the negotiations. Make. It. Happen.
** Edited by ren_hoek at 5/29/2023, 1:25:36 PM
Conference Realignment Board
3 y ago
I don't buy that at all
ACC leadership is notoriously spineless and lacks the fortitude to be bold and aggressive. It may not be a financial bonanza to absorb 6-8 PAC teams, but it would in fact be an increase. The fact that Skipper has repeatedly suggested it gives it more credibility than all of us internet experts combined. He was the freaking CEO of ESPN for crying out loud.
Heck, Yormark would have made this happen in short order if he were the ACC commissioner.