That was good for 6.5 million per school. The number now is over 10 million per school. The numbers help fill the gap between the ACC and Big 12 TV deals. The network is also an ACC-only platform to promote and broadcast ACC sports. It was a win getting the network set up and serves as a valuable asset as schools and conferences consider realignment

1. ACC has Pro Rata in our contract. That means any new additions make same as existing schools, but to open up for renegotiation have to add at least 2. 2. Right now the ACC Network is expected to be $10 million per year per school as it is. 3. The new state part is related to the ACC Network Subscribers. It's advantageous to the ACC. Doesn't matter to the Big XII, although adding time zones helps the Big XII deal to enable more time slots for their Television Partners. 4 It does make sense for the ACC to add far away to accomplish the subscriber increase, but it's not good for the kids. There is a trade off. 5. Adding more than one from a state works if there is a national rivalry. Adding Texas/Texas A&M would be a good one. Adding Stanford/Cal is another. 6. We get about 75 cents per subscriber per month for the ACC Network in a state where we have a team. If each team is already getting $10 million per year, that's $150 million per year for the conference. That means we need state with at least 4 million cable subscribers because ESPN takes their cut. This gets us to status quo. Need more to increase. So California, Texas, Arizona, Washington, someone from Ohio, Tennessee, etc. work. And you can mix a small state in with a big state.

Obviously Texas and Texas A&M are huge programs with national interest around their game. But I wasn't sure if, say, Cal and Stanford would be that much more valuable for just one game, But it sounds like you are saying yes to this. So do you think it is worth it for the ACC to consider a bunch of Western schools if the B1G decides to hold at 16? It sounds like some sort of combination such as UW, ASU, Stanford, Cal, and perhaps Oregon might be worth exploring. What do you think? I figure that if we take enough teams, these teams will be able to play a decent amount of conference road games in their own time zone. Am I off base here? Anyway, thanks for the answers to my rudimentary questions. I'm just trying to get up to speed. Thank you.

I’ve heard the rebuttals. Neither school ups the ACC profile. But they would give great rivalry games with the Hokies, Pitt, Syracuse. Cincinnati gives an in to the state of Ohio.

If they are, then the ACC would have to look at G5 schools.

as many in the ACC have going to the Big12. Neither are in the cards until their contracts are up.

There were a handful of meaningful Big East games between the two during the 8 or 10 period between Tech’s departure for the ACC and WVU’s departure for the Big 12, but nothing notable enough to amount to a rivalry. There is a bit more of a rivalry between WVU and Louisville based on a few significant games before U of L joined the Big East and a period during the RichRod and Petrino (part 1) era where both teams were really good. ** Edited by Tailgate Guru at 6/8/2023, 9:08:04 AM

But WVU is rivals with VT, Pitt and Louisville and cuse to a lesser extent. Cincinnati is rivals with Louisville and VT and Pitt to a lesser extent. Adding them would produce sellout games and TV ratings

VT has played WVU ~5 times over the past 20 years. The schools were never each other's main rival and now hardly play each other. It's gotten to the point where I don't care if they play each other or not anymore and I don't personally consider it a rivalry the way it used to be. I was more annoyed about not getting GT and Miami every year, but I guess I'll get over that too at some point.

Even in conference realignment moves or division shuffling in-conference, real rivals will find a way to play. Teams have four or so OOC games a year. There is no reason that one of those games can't be used on a long-time rival. To me, the loss of major rivalry games over the past several decades is a crying shame. OU-Nebraska, Texas-Texas A&M, even Kansas-Mizzou and Pitt-WVU. Also, while Miami-VT is not each other's number one rival, it was a great series nonetheless (spanning 33 consecutive years and surviving conference moves, often with much on the line). Over three decades, and the ACC suits threw it away like a broken lamp. I also wanted to maintain our series with GT--I loved the Techmo Bowl--we built this game up since coming to the ACC. It was the best series of an old-order ACC team and post-2003 ACC addition that didn't exist before. It was a cool game. And if you look at GT's, Miami's and VT's new permanent "rivals", the ACC really screwed all three. It just went to show me yet again that the ACC has lightweights in high places who don't understand why people watch and love college football.

Great name for a trophy game.

At this point, the ACC, big 12 and pac 12 need to consider ways they connect, or trade or expand to stay at the power conference table The SEC and Big Ten maybe want a P2. But there are more than 40 power programs. Seriously I’d push for a P4 with 80 schools. So does the big 12 release a few schools to the ACC and a better ACC with Notre dame and a combined big:pac 12 form Right now the conference aren’t keen on working together. But if they don’t, there will be a P2 and a G8

Texas/Texas A&M are bigger football rivalries from the SWC and Big 12. Stanford/Cal is 'The Big Game' that Brent Musburger crowed about when I was a college student, and the football player ran into the band in the end zone. The value of Stanford/Cal is northern California. The B1G has locked up Southern California with USC/UCLA. But neither have done much in years. The former President of ESPN suggests that the ACC take Stanford. Ok, but we nee a geographic strategy that makes sense rather than one school stuck 5000 miles away. Looks stupid. We would need others across the country to join in.

2. Huge advantage - but the 12 finds a way to be on the networks because the ACC has a place to play? 3. Both. If the expansion is in a new State, especially with a network? Big. If you can poach from a conference that is not below you - like from another P5? Immeasurably huge - but there are REALLY good G5 programs out there. 4. IMHO the ACC, and Big12 are in an expansion race. Only the BIG and SEC can be picky. 5. I don't know 6. It's the fan base, history, and program. Alabama isn't exactly a very big State. These are literally knee jerks, and I'm interested in dissenting views. ** Edited by Big12 guy at 6/7/2023, 10:31:40 PM

ACC has had that in our contracts since the 90s, and it's still in there. ACC network also has "Look In'' every 5 years. Last was 2021 during COVID, and the agreement then was to add Comcast to get a bump, which did happen.

Cincy and Houston anytime they wanted? FSU would not have wanted UCF, and BYU doesn't fit, so they could have had them anytime they wanted? I understand why they didn't, but looking at the PAC, times have changed, and those will be lost opportunities.

will say a lot about the future of the conference. all of the other recent big conference deals will be known so market value will be easy to establish. if the ACC is as underpaid as it thinks it is; there will be enormous pressure on ESPN to make it whole. and if the ACC isn't underpaid and is thus still woefully behind, then 2036 will be the last year of the conference as we currently know it...likely much sooner

It's a mystery what he's doing.

For new members. John Skipper, former ESPN CEO said it on multiple interviews recently. And yes, the ACC inexplicably passed on Houston, Cincinnati, and others. They're looking for a huge windfall, ND isn't coming. They should have expanded with the best available, adding large states for ACC network carriage, to best position the ACC as a strong conference to compete with the SEC and B1G.

a pro rata. I'm not that deep in researching the ACC contract, but it's an extremely important distinction. Which is it, do they have a standing pro rata or not?

...no other conference will be close in revenue. The only way the best in the ACC will get close to the deadwood in the P2 is if they adopt a similar revenue sharing model like the ACC.

conference can't make the CFP, they stop paying attention to the conference. See: ACC after Clemson lost a game or two. So, in a way, the expanded CFP might help this. Until the CFP is just loaded up with at-large bids from the P2. Then the gig is up. ** Edited by Maroon Baboon at 6/8/2023, 12:20:36 PM

And they kept trashing the ACC even the years Clemson and F$U won football championships. Sorry, I'm not buying.