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patit hoo OP
Sep 11, 2023 at 05:25 PM ET
Court issues restraining order in favor of OSU and WSU for Control of PAC
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2hhoop3
Good for the PAC 2............
hopefully a judge rules sooner rather than later to definitively give control of all decision making and assets to the remaining two. Their first order of business should be to withhold from the departing schools that portion of any current year distributions necessary to cover their respective portion of liabilities for the Comcast overpayment and any other obligations existing prior to their departure. After that, they have a whole host of options, alternatives and courses of action to possibly consider.
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Stech
Why would Kliakoff want the others to have a vote? It makes no sense to me.
mrcaniac mrcaniac
He wants the PAC12 employees to be taken care of
They want to make sure that the conference is operating with staff for the full year, so they don't want employees to bail before July 1, 2024. Klav probably wants there to be some bonuses for employees to stay until the end.
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Stech
Very shortsighted if true, some of those people might be able to stay, not
him of course, but he’s gone either way. He lost almost his entire Conference, and says screw the two that stayed. Now we know why he lost his Conference. The problem with the selfish ones, is it often catches up to them in the long run.
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Big12 guy
He has a contract, and the rest of the employees would want a favorable
severance or golden parachute. It was a "it's for the kids" angle, and the Judge saw through it - and said they could do that with a unanimous vote (which sets a precedent moving forward).
Maroon Baboon Maroon Baboon
My first move if I'm the Beavs-Cougs axis is fire that loser.
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hokieZ71
Precedent being set does not bode well for FSU/CLEM/UNC.
The ACC is gonna stick around as is for another decade at least.
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Stech
They’re not leaving w/o @ least the majority, which they have until June 30
if you count the Mag 7 +1. If it doesn’t happen by then, I agree it could be many years before any school breaks away.
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tarheelblue
There's no way the SEC & B1G agree to take 8 ACC teams in the next 9 months
So it's not happening.
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Stech
It’s not probable, but it’s possible, you’ve closed the door completely,
I have not, especially with all the surprises over the last 2-3 years. Is your post an opinion, or do you have the inside information that it’s definitely not happening?
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tarheelblue
I suppose it's theoretically possible but the odds are near 0.
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Stech
Maybe, but I think you might be underrating ESPN and Fox on expansion and
what will be contraction too, if the ACC becomes the non May 7+1 and Stanford,Cal and SMU. IMHO they will renegotiate how much they will pay to the leftovers like they did with the PAC the last couple of years. They need to cut costs now.
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tarheelblue
I think you're underestimating the legal and financial hurdles
The strategy of getting 8 ACC teams to vote to dissolve the conference is almost impossible. The other ACC schools will challenge any attempt to dissolve the conference in court just like how Oregon State and Washington State are challenging the attempt to dissolve the Pac-12. ** Edited by tarheelblue at 9/12/2023, 12:40:46 PM
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2hhoop3
I think OSU and WSU.....
are challenging the process and WHO actually has a say in the dissolution or future. The break up occurred when the others left, so it was already done. The ACC is a functioning conference with a long term media contract so any move to dissolve is different than the PAC. In addition, besides the legal and financial hurdles, there are additional perception and public opinion issues that not only the ACC and its members will face but, will fall to the networks and conference suitors as well. I do not see things surrounding the present ACC situation having a quick, or necessarily clean, resolution. I do believe that with the benefit of more hindsight it will become clear whether the long term GOR was a hindrance or help for the conference and the majority of its members.
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Stech
I think it is unlikely, but if the majority leave, I don't think it will
fully hold up in court. The Mag 7+1 will just make a case that when they signed it, it was a totally different conference now that the 8 are leaving. Sure they would pay some money, but they also would likely make much more money in their new conference. Again, I don't think it is probable, but it's much more possible than zero IMHO. One thing, if they don't do it by June 30th, I don't think anybody is going anywhere, but why did North Carolina, Florida State and Clemson vote against expansion when they know if the conference stays together they will make more money? Why do you think they didn't? ** Edited by Stech at 9/12/2023, 12:52:37 PM
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tarheelblue
Let's assume they voted against it because they want to dissolve the ACC
Then that's only 3 votes to dissolve the conference. Which means they're 5 votes short. No ACC team is going to vote to dissolve the conference in the next 9 months without a guarantee of a spot in the SEC or B1G (and not at some ridiculous no-money deal like SMU took). And neither of those conferences even wants to expand right now.
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Stech
Right now, is the operative word, they say that a lot, & then Texas, OU,
USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington. The only Conference that announces it ahead of time is the B12, and many think they did it to make it so the PAC could not get a TV deal. However, the SEC and B1G are more stealth with their approach. PS Remember the EPN/SEC folks said some pretty derogatory things about the ACC expansion. At the very least, it makes you wonder why say that? 🤔
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tarheelblue
And all those were only added after the GoR had expired.
The B1G and SEC have never tried to add teams still under a GoR. And they never will.
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Stech
Again, I think you are probably right, but never say never. :-)
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EDGEMAN
I don't see it either.
After looking at the OK + UT additions, I see the SEC only taking another two (max) in the next round, and the B1X just added 4 PAC-12 schools, so they're done for now.
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ren_hoek
Which brings us to the ACC's next move in 2030
+3 minimum to get to 20 schools, at the expense of the Big12. Arizona, ASU, and Utah to get a 5 team western division.
mrcaniac mrcaniac
No way that the SEC/B1G take any school with the GOR looming
The only thing that those 2 can do is tell the schools they want that they will have an invite waiting for them in 2037. Anything else is contract tampering.
HokieAl HokieAl
Good for them. I hope they can keep the PAC alive
And keep winning this year. That's the best form of revenge.
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LonghornHokie
Most excellent.
Hope 2PAC gets everything.