But it is behind a paywall. This podcast shows most of it. Couz interprets the statement as the ACC is willing to kick some teams out. You can skip thru to just read the article. Maybe there is some pressure to kick someone out. Personally, I think if there is to be any kicking out, it will only be WFU, at least for now. They can be booted without affecting the ACCN. Booting BC requires replacing the loss of the Massachusetts TV subs.

a bunch of cross country travel to play teams no one cares about outside their local market and even there in most cases, so many schools that you can't build a rivalry if you wanted one cause you play so rarely. Sure ESPN would love to have the rights to that, provides nice content filler for Wed and Fri night and noon Saturday games so they can put the SEC and Big1x games on in primetime. All sounds like the minor leagues to me.

Struggled to get members .

playoff. But if the money improves drastically, then it might be worth it.

I'd like to see one PAC and one B12 game per year on our schedules, ala the Alliance plan. Since that would yield five western games each year, the ACCN could have a bunch of late night games. Hmm, I just looked it up. Utah, Colorado and Arizona are in the Mountain time zone. Maybe they would not play games that late? I'd still like to at least try this, if we don't do more.

The don't do daylight savings time in Tempe and Tucson IRCC (or most of Arizona). But yeah, I'd totally stay up and watch Virginia Tech and Arizona State till after midnight. Not sure others are that devoted though.

included (invited) was at least discussed.

Wow, that is candid talk. Bubba has some 'splainin' to do. Maybe he has read some of our posts about the breakaway eight being the core of a new super conference (I suppose with the best four from the B1G, or best remaining eight from across the country).

Few acc teams to the SEC . Somewhat a trade . Unc will desire Acc to be theirs. I’d say they live for VT gone . Jmho

those three conferences have a master tv contract, their own championships between them, and their own rules on compensating athletes, recruiting, staff sizes etc etc etc. AFL and NFL days again. If SEC & B10 continue to push the envelope IMO this is likely the best option. Let those schools have $200mm athletic budgets- the others will do it for less than half and still have a product TV viewers will watch. At the end of the day it is the brands that drive college athletics. And those three conferences got enough to survive and thrive.

I think this is orchestrated by ESPN. Big 12 and ACC going to get an bump in rights to bet them closer to SEC/Big 10. (my guess about 80 percent of the SEC. (and that is ok).... After Ok/Tx leaves... the Big 12 takes 4 of the Pac 12 (that now leaves 6 left in the Pac 12. that gets them to 16. Then ESPN deal kicks in and Cincinnati and WVU move to the ACC and that opens up 2 more slots for Pac 12 schools or even Big 12 just takes the rest... With GT in shaky situation, they leave and ACC picks up also UCF and boom. all tightly bound.... do think though the key is ESPN

Can you explain where they. Going ? What final would be?

The disparate contract end dates? In order to break the contracts would each conference agree to dissolve or reset somehow? The risk is in that contractual moment of time, you free up schools to join whichever conference they can? But the principal thesis you throw out on how to evolve and compete longer term is a sound one imo.

It could most effectively be done by a corporation owned by any combination of schools or conferences who need; centralized scheduling; coordinated travel with nearby schools to common destinations. (UNC, Duke MBB share a charter to Indiana, Purdue) The more schools involved, regardless of Conference or Division category, the more efficiencies gained. This would possibly allow more schools to become independent by replacing the services provided by a conference. It would require fees, obviously. The regulatory functions of the NCAA could be move to this outfit. The B1G will get a taste of managing "shared travel" arrangements when their West Coast members join their schedule. If it proves to be a money-saver then maybe The B1G will be the founders of the corporation.

but i believe for something like that to work that it could NOT be equal revenue sharing - too many schools would squawk at that. So you need some third party to more or less assess individual worth- and go on some sort of formula, which gets revisited every couple of years. Just spitballing, but i that would be the way to get buyin of the bigger brands.

- each well established in, and serving different time zones, able to give up this silliness called expansion given lack of benefit w/o a national brand adding value, and instead focus on building the regional rivalries and matchups which in aggregate, make college sports so appealing and drive tv ratings. I'm in. ** Edited by BAMRising at 9/24/2022, 10:40:39 AM

7 ACC games, 2 Big 12, 2 PAC 12, 1 whoever.

expensively and futilely competing on the world's most lopsided playing field, and selling it's soul while doing so. ** Edited by Vippie1 at 9/24/2022, 10:58:59 AM

its revenue is expected to far outpace that of the Pac-12 or Big 12 once USC, UCLA, Texas and Oklahoma (which are slated to move to the SEC in 2025) move to their new conferences; it operates its own network in partnership with ESPN; and the grant of rights binds its members together for the foreseeable future. This gives me hope for getting WVU and Cincinnati to make the move to the ACC. That and ESPN doesn't have Ohio and though West Virginia is a smaller population state, it has a lot of alums in the DMV, Pennsylvania and New Jersey. Not to mention all of the natural rivalries they will have in the ACC. They will help fill many of their away games because like VT they travel. ** Edited by Stech at 9/23/2022, 11:50:44 PM

Getting WVU and cincinnati to move to the ACC with Grant of Rights, allows Big 12 to go west and get most of the Pac 12. (Espn will help with increased ESPN package for the big 12); ( I wonder what happens to Central Fla and being the lowly big 12 in florida and all the rest out west). Alot of pieces, but something ESPN can really manipulate.. They get SEC, ACC Big 12 (and out west). they can afford to let the big 10 go

Leave WVU, Cincinnati and UCF for 10 years from now in case we lose some teams then.

Their business model says, best college football is the SEC, excitement crowd fans, and crazies. Best college basketball is the ACC excitement crowd fans and crazies and they have the ACC for football, with maybe Big 12 exclusively... So Big 10 can play with themselves. (also be nice, if the SEC ACC and Big 12 (with PAC 12 schools), just play each other and let Big 10 do their own thing (That would help ESPN

And, if I understand this correctly, by negotiating the early release of Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC (which benefits ESPN) then ESPN would return the favor by allowing the "new" Big 12 to keep the same pay rate and actually give a pay bump up..... maybe to $45 million per school per year. (If Texas and Oklahoma stay through 2025 I've heard the Big 12 might get as much as $50 million per school per year but I doubt this will ever happen because they'll be gone to the SEC before then.) This $45 million per school per year figure does not include any money from a streaming service like Amazon for example. The ACC only got $37 or $38 million in the most recent payday,... right??? I haven't heard how much the ACC will get in the near future. Anybody have a dollar estimate because I haven't seen one. Thanks! P.S. I've always felt when a school moves to a new conference they need to earn at least $10 million more per year from the new conference they're moving to so they can quickly recoup the exit fees they had to pay to the conference they're leaving behind and, on top of that, quickly recoup the entry fees they must pay to the new conference they're joining so that's why I don't see the conference moves some of you are hoping for. For example, will the ACC be able to pay WVU or Cincy $10 million more per year than what they will get by simply remaining in the Big 12? Can the Big 12 pay PAC 12 schools $10 million more per year than what they can get by simply remaining in the PAC 12? Because these exit and entry fees are so darn high I've had people I trust tell me the actual income increase needs to be at least $15 million so my $10 million requirement is actually quite conservative! That's why I suspect the only way the Big 12 can get those 4 corner schools to switch conferences is to have the B1G take Oregon and Washington first so those 4 corner schools have absolutely no choice but to make the leap to the Big 12. Additionally, why would WVU & Cincy want to join the ACC when it's almost unanimously agreed on this board that the ACC is inevitably going to be successfully raided by the B1G and SEC at some point in the future? ** Edited by LoveSports at 9/24/2022, 5:03:33 AM

will be with their new members added and old ones gone. $10M is entirely plausible.

Something about the start up costs of the ACC network being "paid off". The ACC would get around $53M per year per team at that point, just a few years from now. But the point is, we will be getting around $10M more than the B12 in just a few years, not less (and way more than the P10). So, the argument that the ACC cannot draw teams away from those other leagues is not right IMO because we will be significantly richer than the PAC and B12 for the next ten years, plus we have the ND arrangement (yes, that is a big plus) and our own network. After 10 years, we might drop down to their level, so why not join us now if possible? WVU would be an easy get, Cincinnati and UCF (to replace FSU should they leave) as well, IMO. From here on, we will always be one spot ahead of the B12 in the pecking order. ** Edited by Truthahn at 9/25/2022, 1:33:02 PM

The I4 corridor to go with adding West Virginia and Cincinnati. I know 2 schools in FL seems redundant but it is good for ACC recruiting to travel to FL every year.

for both that will sell tickets and ratings. I think ESPN wants that late window, but that is not in the eastern time zone. Both WVU and Cincy are in the eastern time zone,

Brainerd. All the reasons you've been saying. Cincinnati les so, but Cincinnati gets the ACC and ESPN a P5 presence in Ohio. They also have a rivalry with Louisville. After these the ACC should look at Texas options if they would come. Depends on if they would make more in ACC or Big XII. I'd probably suggest 2. TCU and Baylor. There would be some value to consider Kansas for basketball as well as Connecticut and Memphis. But WVU and Cincinnati are where to start.

I wonder if the WVU AD was present too? I've been a supporter of WVU joining the ACC since Tech joined. I've heard all the "small media market" stuff over the years but I agree that WVU would add value to the ACC in football and other sports simply because their fans actually care and show up, good or bad seasons. I and a majority of Tech fans miss the WVU rivalry, just as Pitt fans miss it. Even though Tech lost last night, just seeing those blue and gold uniforms clashing against the Chicago maroon and burnt orange brought back memories of all those games played in the Big East and even pre-Big East days. ** Edited by Old Line Hokie at 9/24/2022, 12:48:59 AM