About to watch the game, how did Pedulla do?
He still stink? Did they fire MY at halftime?
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shape.
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him after a bad game.
Maybe Will gave give us a pre-defined post to click after Pedulla has a good game or a bad one? Easier on the typing fingers.
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Are in no way indicative of future performance...that's the whole point
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Rechsteiner needs to start. Pedulla can come off the bench, or maybe play
the 2 if Catoor needs a break.
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Did I get it right?
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And people were saying Louisville should transfer
Or if quietly Louisville had put up 26 points against South Carolina, 26 against FSU, 32 against Clemson, 18 against Boise State, 17 against Iowa State all while fans who swear they cheer for Louisville said they were a bad PG because of 2 bad games?
But I think we are losing the metaphor here
Bottom line, it is difficult to win on the road and making judgments based on not doing so every time is a very dumb way to judge whether a team is good or not
Oh, and Sean Pedulla is a very good PG
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Maybe they can get the past the first round this time if they're lucky.
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For a nil deal.
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the tournament is still in play (for just about any team that isn't at or below .500). it just depends on which version of Virginia Tech continues to show up, especially on the road.
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Let them draw conclusions from Game 3 in a 20-game ACC slate
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got in front of his man, gave Sean some breather time and probably could've gone longer.
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Yeah, wouldn't mind seeing Rechsteiner get 10 mins as long as his matchup
on defense was OK. Keeping Pedulla fresh should be a priority.
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But Clemson’s AD was pretty tied up with Dabo on the phone. Whit withdrew the offer when Brownell gave up with 90 seconds to go.
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missed shots he had can't be forgiven!
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He also turned it over twice! He should ride pine, and we need to commit to
Rechsteiner.
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** Edited by HOKIE75-79 at 1/11/2024, 7:56:50 AM
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hired Ron Rivera as the new AD. Rumor is Pry is next to go.
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He showed up. Any word on Catoor?
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Prob size 13+ upside the cheek.
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He was bound to have a good game eventually.
It came against a team that’s reeling. Good for him.
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LOL. He was "bound" to have a good game? Yeah, just chuck up enough shots
and anyone can have a good game. Basically, Pedulla just stumbled into 32 pts. Got it.
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When he faces teams that aren’t athletic defensively, he has the opportunity to thrive — and he did against Clemson.
Good for him and for VT.
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...kind of nut are you? 58 pts.in 2 games. Maybe you're just jealous???
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I’m glad he’s playing well. But he’s been a mess this season.
Happy to see him not have a slew of horrible turnovers and glad his shot is falling.
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South Carolina - 26 pts
Iowa State - 17 pts
Boise State - 18 pts
FSU - 26 pts
Clemson - 32 pts
He's a disaster...like...for sure
Judging him off 1 bad game and then a stretch where he played injured completely ignores the overwhelming majority of the season where he has been very good
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I mean, he’s a shooting guard in a point guard’s body — so he has games where he scores well.
He’s 319th in the country in assist:turn over ratio at a whopping 1.36.
I’m glad he’s playing better. I’m glad he’s scoring more. Like I said, he’s the best player on the team and the only one who can create his own shot — well when not playing against athletic defenses like Auburn or FAU.
He’s the best we have. Doesn’t make him particularly good. 🤷🏻♂️
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Or maybe you're trying to manipulate something intangible to explain away a very bad take you have
So lets extrapolate that logic...
Isaiah Collier is currently projected as the first college player taken in next year's draft. 2 games ago he scored 7 points against Oregon State. He shot 16% from 3 against Alabama State...
He had a very average 13 points against the same Auburn team you're crucifying Pedulla for...again we are talking about a Top 5 draft pick.
His USC team is 8-8. So he is the best player on a very mediocre team.
So we can surmise from that that he's simply someone who struggles against those type of athletes...nevermind his performance against other teams with athletes
But no, go ahead and stick with this mouth-breathing logic
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Sometimes, he's a walking turnover machine. Sometimes, he fills it up. How many points did he score against Auburn, by the way? He was 0-9, 4 pts, 1 assist, and 7 turnovers. If you don't think he struggles against rangy, athletic defenders, then okay.
I already shared with you that he's 319th in the country in Asst:TO ratio. He's not a very good point guard. He just isn't. He's an undersized shooting guard who is being asked to play PG. He's a fierce competitor with very questionable decision-making and shot selection -- and he turns the ball over A LOT. I don't think that's a particularly provocative take.
I'm not sure why people are so sensitive about this. And don't give me that crap "he's a student-athlete and you shouldn't criticize him" -- he's paid. He's a professional athlete.
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There are 4,500 division 1 basketball players. He's not 319th among PGs. He's not 319th among ACC players.
He's 319th among all players period
That means he is in the top 7% of players across the country in assists to turnover ratio
You're presenting that data as a bad thing...it's the opposite of a smart argument.
But hey, sometimes you make good points and sometimes you struggle to understand data. Maybe you struggle against athletic keyboards...who knows. But maybe one day you'll make it to the top 320 of posters here and understand it puts you in the top 10%...which wouldn't mean you're a bad poster
But until then...
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319th in asst:TO? I understand there are thousands of players in D1. But it isn't really an accomplishment to have a better ratio than the a wing from Holy Cross or a big from McNeese State, is it?
He's tied for 137th in assists per game. Is that the level you expect from a starting PG in the ACC?
He's 61st in turnovers per game. Again, do you think those are good numbers for a point guard? You seem to get upset about this stuff. So feel free to take a minute before responding. Maybe count to 10 or something.
So he seems to be better at producing turnovers (relative to the rest of D1 basketball) than he is at producing assists.
EDIT: Also, by my count, there are only six P5 players who average more turnovers per game than Pedulla. So among the major conferences, he's pretty bad in that regard.
** Edited by Pride_and_Joy at 1/11/2024, 4:01:35 PM
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Absolutely not
You keep pulling statistics without knowing the context for any of them
Pulling "per game" statistics does not adjust for tempo or usage. Two very important factors when looking at per game stats.
He's tied for 137th (again across ALL players at every position of every usage in every tempo) in assists.
He plays on a team that plays the 268th fastest out of 362 teams.
So he is top 4% overall in assists per game on a team that is in the bottom 25% in tempo
You're welcome to stop anytime
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Shouldn't he be MUCH lower because he doesn't have that many opportunities to turn the ball over relative to other players who have more possessions per game? I understand the possessions per game argument and that's fair with regard to assists -- I just don't see how you square that circle with regard to turnovers.
** Edited by Pride_and_Joy at 1/11/2024, 6:20:49 PM
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And that's the point. That's his whole issue right now.
He isn't a bad PG. He assists where there are opportunities. He scores where there are opportunities. He needs to clean up the turnovers.
The turnovers do not overshadow the rest of what he does. But if he corrects the turnover issues then he goes from a good PG to a great PG.
What you're doing is painting the turnover issue as something keeping a bad PG from becoming below average. It's simply not true
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In 6 of 13 games this year, he’s had only 1 or 2 assists. That doesn’t scream good (bordering on great) PG.
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We have already covered he is in the top 4% in assists per game playing for a team in the bottom 25% in pace
You know this...
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Also, do you consider 1-2 assists good for a PG? I’d argue that means in half the games, he wasn’t very effective as a facilitator.
You think he’s good bordering on great. I think he’s mediocre.
But you’re a master of interpreting data. So I’m sure being top 60isj in turnovers and barely registering assists in half ones games is bordering on great PG play.
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He's averaging 4.1 assists. Justin Robinson averaged 4.5 apg in a much faster pace
Trying to remove the games in which Pedulla has done well to make him look bad makes you look as clueless as those who say Mike Young "got hot for 4 games" in the ACCT season.
Nevermind they were 13-3 in their last 16 games. Nevermind Pedulla has performed at a high level against Top 100 programs.
If you take away all his wins, Coach K never won a single game
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He has had some very good games in which he either scores or facilitates for others. Sure.
However, he's also had only 1-2 assists in nearly half the games he's played. I'd argue that 4 assists each game is different than averaging four assists per game and having the assist situation be feast or famine.
He's inconsistent. Sometimes he scores well. Sometimes he facilitates well. Often he turns the ball over a lot (4+ turnovers in 5 of 13 games).
You think his numbers mean he's good (bordering on great) and I think he's wildly inconsistent, prone to turn the ball over too much, and not a consistent facilitator. He's a SG in a PG's body. He'll have moments that are great but overall isn't a particularly good PG.
I'll leave it at that. We are rehashing at this point. You like to take jabs that I don't understand data and you have this far more nuanced and sophisticated understanding. Feel free to continue to think so. I'll simply be rooting for Pedulla to cut down on the turnovers and be more consistent with his decision-making. I love his competitiveness, his willingness to have the ball and take the shot in big moments, etc. I hope he can be more consistent. He's the best player on the team by a mile and we'll need him to continue to play like he did against Clemson to win many ACC games.
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And have "half your games be 1 or 2 assists", then the other half would have to mean he is getting 6 or 7 assists.
So literally the argument is "half the games he gets 6+ assists"
Either both of our statements are true, or both are false...
But the reality is that fixing the turnover issue means a PG capable of 6+ assists, 20+ points and score from all levels also takes care of the ball
That's a great PG...he is currently a good one
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The point is that the variances large.
I’d rather have a consistently good player than one who plays great some games and is trash other games.
Same mean, less variance is more desirable.
This is boring now.
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"Maybe you struggle against athletic keyboards" QOTD!!! Bwahahaha!!!!
Prideless and Joyless is a real Debbie Downer.
** Edited by No_Limit_Hokie at 1/11/2024, 4:01:52 PM
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point guard needs good targets.
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So I'm sure you're right. He's barely averaging more than 1 assist per turnover.
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night was step in righting the ship.
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I just think we're very mediocre, can't create our own shots (other than Pedulla -- sometimes). Clemson played flat and is on a 3-game skid. But it's still a positive sign after choking away the FSU game.
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and Pedulla had 26 points against them on the road. They are not reeling. And neither is Pedulla, anymore.
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Lol. Yeah, all the crappy players are putting up 32 on Clemson these days.
Let's see, UNC had ... no one even clear 20 against them. But that's because UNC has really good players. The good players don't put up 32 on Clemson, only marginal ones. Ok, ok, Miami had Pack put up 25. Well, that was a precursor because Pack isn't very good either.
So, Pedulla eclipsed everyone on UNC and Miami's roster vs Clemson. But that's because Clemson doesn't know how to play D. I mean, they are #78 in kp AdjD. Pretty much anyone who shoots it a bunch will easily crack 30 on them.
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...one of the posters who was trashing Pry at the beginning of the season?
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Sorry, but this is a really bad analogy. Through 15 games Pry was 4-11
against very bad competition. And the product on the field was not encouraging. We had a 1-6 record in the ACC, which is not a strong conference by any means. We couldn't beat B10 bottom feeders and struggled against mediocre Sun Belt teams.
Sean Pedulla has *NEVER* played like that. Never.
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Who takes too much poop from fans
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And some out of control plays. But you take the bad with the good with Sean.
Can’t live with him. Can’t live without him.
He’ll always catch grief for the crazy turnover or missed layup but man he’s got some brass. Glad he’s a Hokie.
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I do it myself. I'm certain Mike Young does.
Where it becomes problematic is when there are those who say Pedulla is ONLY those turnovers. That somehow the bad has overshadowed the good, and some have gone as far as suggesting he shouldn't be a part of the program going forward.
The reality is the good has always far outweighed the bad, he has many things to improve, and he has steadily improved for the entirety of his career. So if he continues to improve his ceiling is only much higher.
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probably just played their overall best game of the season. Read David's write-up.
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GCHokie, thank you always for your efforts... of calm logic, and reason...
Unfortunately, you seem to be tilting at windmills, in the sense of having many people listen to you.
We need to create the...
VT Men's Basketball Bingo Game!
Here are some squares to start... you will of course recognize some of them from your earlier post... suggestions quite welcome from others...
NIT
Fire Mike Young
Can't recruit
Can't keep players
Chester Frazier
Lightning in a Bottle
Wofford
(We'll get) Killed for five years! (Go back and look at some of the posts in 2019, right after MY was hired)
Muh Buzzy!!
Not Power 5
SoCo
1hokies1
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And my guess is he knows the most vocal complainers won't be changed but he is responding so the next layer down who are still open will have a counter balance to the mob.
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HokieDBA
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He missed seven shots, committed two turnovers, and his defense was so bad he wasn't close enough to his man to foul him (0 fouls in 34 minutes) or block any shots. MY was so upset with his play he sat him for about 5 minutes in the second half. On a positive note, SP was able to towel off while he was sitting on the bench so that he did NOT stink when the game was over.
MY was fired at half time but he is so clueless he still went to the bench for the second half.
Enjoy the game.
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But not nearly as bad as those whose masculinity is so fragile that any show of emotion is a threat to exposing just how insecure they are
It's ok man...it gets better
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