Source - Stanford willing to take no Money for years
According to the Associated Press
** Edited by Sunsetunderground at 8/31/2023, 9:32:05 AM
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2y
Sounds like a really cheap way for the ACC to expand their footprint into the 2 biggest states in the country. This expansion is sounding better and better for the ACC.
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2y
Espn is pushing ACC expansion and will pay additional for it as well. Another way to close the gap.
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2y
ND will continue to schedule Stanford home and away. Maybe every so often, we will have five ACC/ND games whenever Stanford's rotation is due, but mostly we will have six ND games. If I were ND, I would even give in on that, as a show of solidarity. But maybe they won't.
That works out better for everyone, IMO. ND does not want to explain why they gave up something to the ACC. In reality, it helps ND a lot to keep Stanford afloat, so they are getting something major from this expansion. How would it look, if Stanford was just a G5 team? ND alumni would not like that, either.
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2y
See any actual quotes backing it up. Where do you see that ESPN is actually pushing for this.
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I get Stanford and Cal, I don't get SMU
If you are SMU why be willing to accept a reduced or no share payout for a long period of time to go a conference that there is a good chance won't exist in 10 years? I get Stanford and Cal as they are on an island right now with Pac-4 but I don't get the thinking with SMU.
** Edited by LittletonColoradoHokie at 8/31/2023, 1:56:51 PM
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2y
SMU realizes that they need to get their foot in the door. Once you are in a major conference, it gives your program much more respectability and it increases the likelihood that they will have a spot in the "best of the rest" conference after the SEC and B1G are done feeding.
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2y
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2y
paying for a P5 addition, whatever the period. SMU has been shut out since the old SWC folded and this is their chance to maybe come all the way back from the death penalty. SMU deserved punishment for its past deeds but, the debate is still ongoing about the use of the death penalty. There is also still the undercurrent that the actual penalty they received was so severe because the sacred cows doing exactly the same thing were getting beat by an upstart at their own game and that was just not acceptable.
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2y
I didn’t see PAC-12 disappearing.
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2y
Ever since they got the death penalty, they have been small time. Over 30 years later, they finally have a chance to be in a conference at the top level again. Plus they don't need the money
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Va AandM
2y
Dukes fiscal 2022 endowment is $12B and Northwestern's is $14B. I don't believe there is another Power conference school that comes close to Stanford.
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2y
Endowments are specific as to how funds can be spent
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2y
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2y
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2y
four corners' negotiations didn't even last 24 hours, and there was an announcement the same day. The ACC deserves a good deal, but Cal and Stanford deserve to be hung out to dry.
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Mercury
2y
Not wildcat programs
** Edited by Mercury at 8/31/2023, 1:28:42 PM
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Disagree, just doing due diligence. 4 corners had been long discussed.
This idea - particularly throwing SMU into the picture - is basically brand new.
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2y
Along with SDSU as the two additions after USC and UCLA left.
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Stech
2y
the vote. They were trying to get it done before the CFP meeting yesterday, so they drop to 5 Conference Champions from 6. That didn’t happen either. So very different set of circumstances here.
Once they settle this, watch for a CFP meeting. They wanted to do both before week 1, but circumstances created a different priority for them.
PS I didn’t get it either, until I read the CBS article late yesterday.
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2y
That’s based on inside knowledge and fact, not assumption.
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2y
whether the brevity of the four corner negotiation has more to do with the ease of the negotiation or whether those negotiations had been ongoing for some time out of public view? The ACC/Cal/Stanford talks started out in the public or at least became public in short order. Why do Cal and Stanford deserve to be hung out to dry or is a word maybe missing?
** Edited by 2hhoop3 at 8/31/2023, 11:17:45 AM
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2y
would be yes to both.
People sometimes forget that we are discussing athletic conferences, not academic alliances. Cal has all of the assets to be relevant in college football, but the administrations made a conscious decision to not put emphasis on their revenue sports - and it shows.
Stanford is Stanford, and they only need Cal as a travel partner. The ACC was in talks with schools in the PAC, just like the B12 was. Apparently, the B12 the 4 corners had their ducks in a row - and with so much at stake, Stanford just assumed they would get a BIG invite or something, because it's the ACC or bust for them now.
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2y
probably strikes at the heart of the matter. The four corners were active and motivated. Cal probably took the same approach to realignment that they did to sports in general. Stanford probably had a higher opinion of their prospects and options than actually existed in reality.
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As for Stanford...
Do think they would've gotten into the Big Ten if Notre Dame had joined? We all know that Notre Dame will stay independent as long as they can, but would the Big 10 seen Stanford differently if they had Notre Dame. Stnaford probably thought they had a very good chance of getting into the Big Ten with their academic prestige and numerous Learfield Director's Cup titles but this is all about football.
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