Brian Kelly lobbies for a NIL salary cap
I would never expect sanity from Kelly or LSU, but he is spot on the question of a cap.
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Okay being a smartass, WHO would set the salary cap? Surely not the NCAA
Who has the back one of a jelly fish
(In response to this post by Hokie1992)
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Make an absurd statement that he absolutely knows is neither legal nor possible so that he can look like he's some kind of saint. Meanwhile, his minions are off trying to poach players from other teams by offering them more money. He's a believe what I say, not what I do but you can't prove I do kind of guy. Don't think that statement is a look the other way attempt since word is out he's poaching players?
No different than always whining about the academic standards at ND causing him to not be able to compete. Meanwhile, like every other school, anyone who is eligible and could help the team win, would be on the roster and the second he could make more money he ran off to one of those schools that doesn't have those academic barriers.
Awwww shucks, I don't make the rules, I just find ways to use them to make $millions.
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The salary cap is what you need after you have players getting paid directly, as part of a labor union, where they sign contracts to play for a school's program for X many years. But they'll never put a cap on what's effectively endorsements, the precedent of "you're only allowed to make this much money per year if you're famous" would create too much judicial ripple effect elsewhere. The real problem is the lack of binding contracts that force a player to stay on a particular team no matter who's endorsing them or how much. Like, State Farm can spend millions of dollars on putting Patrick Mahomes in their commercials, but they can't force him to stay in Kansas City.
(In response to this post by Hokie1992)
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pro sports leagues are only able to do that (otherwise it would be anti-trust violation to agree to limit comp) because they have a union and the union has agreed to those rules. In theory they could limit what the players make through NIL controlled by the schools, but as you say, they can't control what a player makes from outside sources and you know that would immediately be used to have some local car dealer get money from donors and pay to advertise using it or some other work around.
(In response to this post by Synaesthesia)
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It's a mess and there's no way out of it because there will always be donors willing to pay to get a kid to come to their school. So even with say 3-4 year contracts and paying the players directly...THOSE schools will still be buying the best players because they'll still have donors funneling extra funds (in the name of "NIL") to athletes and there's no rules that can be put into place to stop it. Now...contracts may stop some from this behind the scenes tampering that's going on now...or will it?
(In response to this post by Synaesthesia)
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move on to whatever is next and see where we are when the dust settles.
(In response to this post by vthokieq)
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…was there really isn’t any moving on even after implosion (as a whole, individual institutions may however). There’s no real way out of the chaos or any way to reset it IMO.
(In response to this post by Tombo)
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than what we currently have and yes individual institutions will make up whatever that model is. Agree there is no reset or fix as things currently stand.
(In response to this post by vthokieq)
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Like you said, endorsements aren't salary.
But if it were as simple as "you can't cap endorsements", you'd see pro athletes taking endorsement deals from locals-only businesses that far outpace what is normal, as a way to circumvent salary caps. Since that doesn't happen, I can only assume that things are written into CBAs that prevent it, and that they stand legal challenge.
Still ... it's going to be an arms race so long as the monied interests are happy to keep it going.
(In response to this post by Synaesthesia)
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The NFL has a draft...and contracts...and a players union that's negotiated with the league (teams). But players are still pretty much able to take any endorsements that they want (so long as it doesn't violate any specific clauses or conflicts in the CBA).
(In response to this post by Beerman)
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Basically, you can't have the pro sports equivalent of bagmen conspire together to try to come up with a way to highly compensate players in such a way as to circumvent the salary cap. The finer points of this, like how is fair market value determined so you can decide whether something is in excess of that, well that would get sussed out in court. And obviously there's some level of wiggle room, everyone knows there's more external endorsements to be had playing sports in Los Angeles than in Buffalo.
But, the important part is they go mostly go after the team for this, not the individual player. Joe Smith and the Timberwolves is a good real-life example of attempted salary cap evasion and fallout. Smith got only indirectly punished because of the specifics of how the (Larry) Bird Rights work in the NBA.
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Guarantee his bagmen will not abide by those rules...lol
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Most likely a LSU collective with his wants.
(In response to this post by pokiehokie83)
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Basically is it’s really tough if you’re keeping your current roster happy, preparing to have the necessary NIL to pay incoming players and then have budget to get players off the portal. With a salary cap, you’d know what the competition was limited to offering.
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VTFan29
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it will make things more competitive. That is, if the cap is set at something reasonable for most/all schools to obtain.
(In response to this post by Hokie1992)
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But when you consider NIL budgets for 18-22 sports. The math/accounting could be complicated, not to mention some schools option to supplement cap limits with some brown bag cash.
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It'll continue to be an issue. It'll require just as much investigation, governance, oversight by the NCAA - a la SMU in the 1980s.
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Staffs more balanced, too. Trophy’s for everyone! Socialism here we come!
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VTFan29
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sign me up!
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