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It's about right. JF is playing the 2 year game

We've added some nice pieces but this was still one of the worst P4 rosters in the country. Will take another year to fix it.

This could happen with or without a bet

This scenario is more a "player thinks he's smarter than coach" problem than a gambling issue.

I'm honestly not

I usually can't stand people who try to be contrarian on internet message boards and now it seems I've become one :) Every argument I've heard is "it could lead to this" or "it could lead to that" and I'm certainly not suggesting every athlete should go out and bet on their team, but the only somewhat valid argument I've heard so far is that if the athlete all-of-a-sudden DIDN'T bet on his team one week, that would be a tip-off of sorts. Again, I agree it's a bad idea, I'm just not able to wrap my head around the "absolute cardinal sin cannot do it" logic.

Again, this is a different bet!!

My head is about to explode so I'll bow out here đŸ¤Ŗ

Ha - not sure how many other ways I can say it

I am ONLY taking about a straight-up Moneyline bet on your team to win!!! No parlays, no personal stats, no nothing

From what I understood, that was the only kind of bet he placed

But seeing the rest of the thread, he placed some negative bets too. In that case, I absolutely agree

Again, this is a different argument

I'm talking about a straight up bet on his team to win the game, which as far as were know, is all he was doing

Yeah idk, I'm missing something I guess

Every argument I hear is "it could turn into this" or "what if it were that?" And I agree, if it were those things, it's a huge problem. But an athlete placing straight-up bets on his team to win the game? Meh.

How does betting FOR your team affect outcomes though?

The entire sanctity of sports is that you can safely assume that every athlete is doing everything they can to win the game. This does nothing to change that. If anything, it reinforces it.

I don't understand that part either though

They were straight-up bets on his team to win. If he's betting against them, or even betting them to win and not cover then yes I agree. Other than "it's a slippery slope" what am I missing here?

The outcry on this has really surprised me

CFB programs for years have played woman beaters, reckless drivers, thieves, etc. but a guy placing bets on his team is where we band together and draw the line?

Accountability has been dead for years. If you're surprised by this

you've been under a rock for the past 5-10 years. There is NOBODY in charge

Pro leagues have commissioners and actual governance

There was no way TT's money was going to not let their prize pony play

"the better schools rely on HS talent" - absolutely not

The better schools take top HS talent because they can, but portal talent (aka proven talent) is much more valuable in this era. Last year's national champ didn't have a single top 25 HS class on the team, but they did have a top 10 portal class.

Interesting thing I just realized - Lane Stadium is bigger than all but

5 of this past year's 12 playoff team's home stadiums. I hear it thrown around sometimes that VT's stadium is too small by big-boy standards, but Oregon, Texas Tech, Indiana, Ole Miss, Miami, etc. seem to be doing just fine.

The impotence of NCAA rules go way beyond transfers and NIL

The UNC academic scandal, to me, was the start. That was a clear violation of a rule as well. The NCAA issued a punishment and UNC simply said "no." Up to that point there was a sort of gentleman's agreement that schools would accept punishment from the NCAA. That world is over.

There's no such thing as a clear, enforceable NCAA rule

TT didn't spend $5M on a QB to have him not play. NCAA rules are a series of cute suggestions that schools can choose to follow or not. He's starting game 1.

Call me cynical but is this a PR/damage control move

so he can play this year? Comes out of treatment in July, talks about being a changed man, all past transgressions forgiven...

"have a plan" is a stretch

But I could see a GM being curious to see what they could extract from a 3-year P4 starter QB

His Heisman rant had almost nothing to do with him going undrafted

It's the NFL. If they thought he could be play in that league, they'd take him.

You're conflating high school recruiting with portal recruiting

Mendoza was a 4-star QB in the portal and the 2nd rated QB in that class - he had plenty of options. Indiana had to pay well to get him. Sarratt was a 4-star transfer as well.

Who knows? We have no idea what "with $$$" means

At least in other no-salary-cap leagues, we can see who is spending what. In CFB we have no idea. For all we know, their payroll could have been twice that of Ohio State's last year. It's frustrating not knowing

For sure. Cig and his staff are elite. Just saying the past few years

they've had top 25 portal classes too. No, they're not 2001 Miami or 2019 LSU, but they're not the Polk High Panthers either. They have the full backing of a guy worth $6 billion