Probably keep NC State and Duke instead. Also, VT will probably be stuck with Pitt as their 2nd rival, as Wake will probably want Duke and NC State as well. ** Edited by I85Hokie at 10/23/2023, 8:40:37 AM

The League isnt going 7 years before another membership issue arises. I'm not going to burn brain cells worrying about a 7 year rotation that never happens. And if by some miracle it does there is no sensible way possible to schedule anyway. Look up "joke" or "you have to be kidding" and you'll get whatever plan is ultimately going to be announced.

Adding Cal and Stanford to the ATLANTIC Coast Conference...eh, ok. Whatever man. It's far more likely we're discussing a football driven secession from the NCAA than anything else over the next 5-7 years.

still purchase and attend home games and pick and choose away games I'd like to attend. Hopefully places like Boston early in season and Miami in November. Sure a road trip to Bay area would be nice and welcome for a fair number of West Coast Hokies but not expecting anything out of this to be reality.

Hampton Roads, San Diego, and even Philadelphia some years. It’s quickly turned from state cable hook ups to eyeballs again. Cable hookups are dropping like an ⚓️ pun intended. Then if the Mag 7 +1 leave by June or even in about a dozen years, the ACC can still be the Academic Conference of Champions. They can add schools like USF and Tulane later. Also, If Stanford ND games don’t count for ND 5 ACC games, that’s better than I thought it would be, but I could see ND not renewing playing them every year since 1997, so NBC gets more B1G games with them. I will take a wait and see on that one. The additional schools could reduce the number games the 14 ACC schools plays Notre Dame. Lastly, I still prefer a regional conference, I think the SEC and SBC, have got it right for college football. Heck even the NFL builds their Divisions mainly around close proximity and historical rivalries.

I wouldn't mind adding in Baltimore or Pittsburgh. I bet both Commie and Beagle fans wouldn't mind either of those

Both have a long standing rivalry with the Cowboys. And the NY Giants have one with Philadelphia. So I think that the NFC East is set. St. Louis used to be in there a long time ago, but now with just 4 instead of 5, they're set.

Putting Washington, Philly, and NY in the same division guaranteed that 6 games per season featured two teams in the top 10 TV markets. Adding Dallas made sure that at least 3 games per season would have those TV markets' teams playing in the 4pm time slot. When the Cardinals were in the NFC East, that meant that Budweiser's home market of St. Louis was playing against a team from the 3 of the largest markets in the country (PHI, NY, DC) 6 weeks, and at least 5 weeks in the 4pm slot. So, during the season, the NFC TV package had 6 games featuring 2 of the PHI/NY/DC markets, and 5 weeks one of those teams playing in the 4pm slot. That was 11 of the 14 weeks of the season. All the NFL needed to do was plug the 49ers, LA Rams, Bears, and Lions into that rotation and that is why the NFC TV rights were much more valuable than the AFC package. I don't think that the Jones' are going to give up those games today since playing those teams always guarantees a prime tv slot even today, and that equals more revenue for the Cowboys. Jerry is on the TV committee, so he knows exactly how much those games are worth.

"What about Notre Dame? Notre Dame is contracted to play an average of five games per year against ACC teams designated by the conference (Notre Dame specifies the dates they are available). Those games were previously scheduled through 2037, but now those might need to be redone, too. According to Mr. Teel, Each of the ACC’s 14 current programs has at least four games versus the Fighting Irish from 2024-37, with Miami at seven, Florida State and Pitt six apiece. Hence, the Hurricanes, Seminoles and Panthers seem the most likely candidates to shed some contests against Notre Dame as Cal and SMU are blended into the rotation. Except for the 2020 [pandemic] season, Stanford and Notre Dame have played annually since 1997 - giving the Irish two games per year in the state of California, one in the North, the other in the South. I was hoping the Irish would maintain that series outside of the ACC agreement. The conference could then rotate the other 16 teams, and the ACC would pick up an extra game for its TV contract every other year. Alas, it looks like Notre Dame has been resisting that idea. At best, the Irish might play a few extra games against either Stanford or Cal - when those schools aren't already in the rotation. We'll see - it seems like everything is pretty much still "to be determined" at this point."

the 5 game rotation and let them schedule home and away against each. BC at home in year 1 and away in year 2 and Stanford away in year 1 and home in year 2. Effectively ND forced into a 6 game ACC committment.

It could be fifty years before ND plays BC again, from ND's perspective. ND only cares for Stanford as a way to end the season in California during years that USC plays at ND. Exclude them both. Stanford is not on any future ND schedules after 2024. ND has yet to renew that series. An average of 5 games a year, max, not six games a year, as per contract.

really seems sloppy that this is unknown...I am just absolutely guessing, but I think the ACC will have to change/move some ND games against the 14 and spread them to the new 3, and ND will only average 5 INCLUDING the new 3...seems like a nice deal for ND, as Cal and Stanford have been on their schedule in the past...

as soon as it totally implodes and Duke Wake and BC get to keep the name and add Navy along with Villanova & W&M.

Bowl might still be an option. 😁 ** Edited by Stech at 10/16/2023, 8:10:10 PM

I never thought I'd see this. Albeit Tulane has a small on campus stadium now. But good to see them fill it. Navy is a good option if they would be interested. I still say bring all sports including basketball if we add Navy. I'm not sure they will want that, but it's a good option. It is Navy though who is pushing the American Conference to add Army. So I believe they like the American.

It's called "Wave Weekend" at Tulane and combines Homecoming, Reunions and Family Weekend into one. I'm with you that I'm still surprised to see the prices, but this weekend is definitely an outlier. ** Edited by neworleanshoo at 10/17/2023, 6:56:40 PM

If so, and Notre Dame joins, I say do it. ND would increase the pro rata amount as well by 18 schools. Put the balance in the incentive pool. Navy would probably be happy with about $15m per year and a much higher cut of the playoff payments vs the AAC. I would also add lacrosse and any other Olympics that Navy does well in.

Olympic sports. They would struggle in basketball, but maybe not as much if the Academic Conference of Champions becomes a reality. I also think their basketball recruiting gets raised if they are in the ACC, not to mention, maybe go to a Princeton style for basketball.

What I'm asking. If not it might not be worth it.

They would get annihilated every ACC game. They want to be competitive. Same reason Army has been reluctant to join a conference again and Air Force turned down the Big 12.

6 foot 3 is rumored as the cutoff

To ensure Navy dont have some wondering eyes.... Also, Hate to push the ND thang. but ND always plays Navy, and 5 ACC games. need just 2 more....hmmm

be a good fit for both Navy and Army. Especially if the Mag 7 +1 leaves. As for Notre Dame I think they stay semi independent in football, because of big Donors like TerryD. 🤣 Their next step is to sign for 4 games with the B1G IMHO. That ND Ohio State game ratings showed why.

to Army? Specifically I am referring to continue allowing the Army-Navy Game remain an OOC game (even though both schools would be football-only members) so the game could continue being played the week after Conference Championship Weekend.

As the ACC prepares to expand in 2024, football scheduling will be central when league officials convene their fall meetings next week. Preserving essential rivalries, minimizing cross-country travel and reconfiguring Notre Dame’s docket of conference opponents are among the priorities. Stanford, California and Southern Methodist will bring ACC football membership to an awkward 17 — even numbers make for easier scheduling — and extend the league beyond the Eastern time zone for the first time since its 1953 founding. So with athletic directors, faculty reps, senior women’s administrators and senior minority administrators — those from the three newcomers will attend but not vote — set to huddle next Thursday and Friday with conference staff in Charlotte, North Carolina, here’s what we know. The basics: The ACC is drilling down on a seven-year, no-divisions rotation of opponents that will sustain an undetermined number of annual rivalries while limiting the 14 current members to three games each in California, preferably not in consecutive seasons. As since Florida State’s 1992 arrival, the conference schedule will be eight games. Why not nine with such a large group, like the Big Ten is doing with 18 teams? Because the math doesn’t work. To play an odd number of league games, you need an even number of teams. Using a five-year rotation, the Big Ten recently adopted a model that protects a dozen yearly contests, Ohio State-Michigan, USC-UCLA and Washington-Oregon included. The 12 pairings represent about 8% of the conference’s total matchups. A similar percentage for the ACC would equate to 11 annual pairings, though that’s hardly a magic number. The details: Unlike the four-year model the ACC adopted for 2023-26 but had to scrap after expanding, every program in the seven-year rotation would not have the same number of annual rivals. For example, North Carolina could have three (N.C. State, Duke and Virginia), while Louisville might have none — Penn State has no yearly matchup in the Big Ten’s format. Virginia Tech-Virginia is a given, but while VT-Miami would be welcomed, the Hokies may have no other annual opponent. Beyond those four — UVa-Virginia Tech and North Carolina vs. UVa, Duke and N.C. State — Florida State-Miami, Clemson-Florida State, Pitt-Syracuse and Cal-Stanford feel like absolutes, bringing the total to eight. But here’s the wild card: The mandate from ACC presidents that none of the current 14 programs play in California more than three times during the seven years gives Stanford and Cal only 42 of the 49 combined visits they need from the Eastern schools and SMU. This means SMU will play Cal and Stanford annually, one at home, one on the road. So now we’re at 10 yearly pairings. No matter that the Mustangs have minimal history — one game each — against the Cardinal and Golden Bears. Undefeated SMU lost the Jan. 1, 1936 Rose Bowl to Stanford and opened its 1957 season with a road conquest of Cal. Though unprotected in the four-year rotation approved in 2022, Wake Forest and N.C. State will meet for the 114th consecutive season next month and should make the cut this time. Others will advocate for Duke vs. N.C. State and/or Wake Forest, N.C. State-Clemson, Georgia Tech-Clemson and Syracuse-Boston College. The tradeoff is, more preserved rivalries translate into less-frequent editions of unprotected matchups such as Virginia Tech-N.C. State, Virginia-Duke and Clemson-Miami. But if the ACC lands on 10-15 annual matchups, teams will face every rotating opponent at least three times during the seven seasons. The Irish: Notre Dame is contracted to play, on average, five rotating ACC teams per year. That cycle is scheduled through 2037, with 70 dates remaining following this season. Each of the ACC’s 14 current programs has at least four games versus the Fighting Irish from 2024-37, with Miami at seven, Florida State and Pitt six apiece. Hence, the Hurricanes, Seminoles and Panthers seem the most likely candidates to shed some contests against Notre Dame as Cal and SMU are blended into the rotation. The pandemic 2020 season excepted, Stanford and Notre Dame have played annually since 1997. If the schools renew their series long-term — the Irish like to play each season in California, either at Stanford or USC — it seems unlikely those games would count toward their ACC obligations. The present: Florida State, North Carolina and Louisville are undefeated, with Duke and Miami also ranked. Moreover, that group is a combined 7-1 vs. nonconference, Power Five opponents, success that includes victories over LSU, Texas A&M, South Carolina and Notre Dame. Rarely has the ACC been this well-positioned as the regular season enters the second half. ** Edited by Maroon Baboon at 10/15/2023, 10:41:07 PM

since they are closest to Dallas geographically and really have no ACC natural rivalry. I'd be okay with Tulane over Memphis, Rice or any other school in that part of the country. I'm fine with just having UVA as Tech's annual rival. If there's is a second rivalry, I'd love to have NC State but that ain't gonna happen. The ACC will give Tech Wake Forest or BC.

Not so much as a football rival, but to cut travel costs for all the other sports that make the trips as the protected rivals. It's a lot cheaper for the baseball team to bus down to Winston Salem every year than flying down to Miami every year.

VT selected UVA no 1 Miami No 2 NC state 3 VT was one of the few who DID not get their second choice. Whit (in closed doors) was not happy....but you have to have good face in the public venue..... (funny Jim Weaver, would have been an ass, and made an issue of it) UVa got their top 2, Duke got their 2, NC state got their 2, UNC got them all, so did Miami, FSU Clemson, and Pitt, Cuse and BC. We got grouped as the 'rest' with Louisville, wake and GT Interesting dynamics in ACC HQ ...

the ACC basketball tourney. And I loved every second of it.

time reading all of it. TIA

School will identify their priority no 1 rivalry. They will get those... Schools will give priority number 2, and the member may get them but ... thats it... for example, VT UVA UVA VT UNC State State UNC Miami Fsu FSU Miami Cal Stanford Stanford Cal After that gets interesting UVA UNC however for UNC will they pick UVA or Duke Duke wake??? priority and Wake Duke??? NC State second pick Duke??? Wake or Clemson?? Clemson GT?? then who??? and then the group of 3 in NE Pitt Cuse and bc BC Cuse and Pitt Cuse Pitt and BC VT thought Miami, however wanted nothing with the Hokies Louisville??? this is what gets interesting.

The article says “This means SMU will play Cal and Stanford annually, one at home, one on the road.” So SMU will play Stanford and Cal every year, but they’ll never play both teams at home or away in the same year. It sounds like you’re saying SMU will play Cal twice a year and Stanford twice a year for a total of 4 yearly games. That’s not what’s happening.

VT-UVa UNC-UVa UNC-Duke UNC-NC State Clemson-NC State Miami-FSU Stanford-Cal Syracuse-Pitt (for Big East old time sake) I'm not absolute on FSU-Clemson. And apparently, someone else isn't absolute on VT-Miami. There are more I'd LIKE to see played, but they aren't a must. ** Edited by Maroon Baboon at 10/15/2023, 2:02:58 PM

Everybody gets one, maybe two. That’s it. Have some equal treatment for once in this stuck in the past conference that still gives Tobacco Road too much influence.

I can't imagine who Louisville's must game would be for example. Same for GT and others.

other 88 times over the years, John Heisman was HC (and went undefeated) at both schools during the rivalry, and there was a reason the schools were paired up with each other when the ACC implemented the protected cross-division game in its conference schedule. Plus, the two schools are still paired up under the new ACC scheduling model. ** Edited by VTHokie2000 at 10/16/2023, 9:09:46 AM

I already lost Miami, which was a great rivalry once upon a time, so at this point I am numb to the whole thing

The Irish would not be eligible for the ACC championship game but the games would count in the standings for their opponents. This makes the ND games matter more and gives some flexibility with scheduling.

The ACC a can get USF and Tulane, later, depending on the circumstances. Tulane could probably pull an SMU arrangement with their alumni, plenty of oil companies down there too. ** Edited by Stech at 10/16/2023, 12:34:51 PM

conference games, then it limits their ability to schedule quality non-conference games that year because most teams feel they need to play 7 home games for financial reasons. At I believe it is now becoming more rare to find the top programs deciding to play 6 home games and 6 away/neutral games in the same season. If the ACC did go to a 9 game conference schedule, then I suspect the ACC schools with annual SEC rivals would have 3 conditions before agreeing to it. 1. The 5 away conference games won't be in the year when the ACC team plays at its SEC rival. 2. The 5 away conference games won't be in the year when they play at Notre Dame. 3. The game at Notre Dame won't in the same year the team plays at its SEC rival. Whereas 8 conference games still allow teams with more flexibility so they can continue playing 7 home games most years.

If ACC teams need to get out of home and home series against out of conference teams, those teams will need to buy out of those games.

and new members dont get allotment

a later date like what VT did with its future game against JMU (moved it from 2025 to 2026). Depending on how the contracts are written, it might be cheaper to move the games than to buy them out. Plus, it might be easier to fill out the future OOC schedule with opponents already on the schedule than trying to fill slots with new opponents.