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GreenvilleVT OP
Apr 22, 2022 at 11:41 AM ET
Man the portal is full.
Some teams have almost a whole roster in the portal. Wofford had 9 in the portal. Coastal Carolina has 10. Lasalle 11. Pitt leading the ACC with 8.

Who even needs to recruit in high schools anymore?

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Squatro
If you are an athlete at the collegiate level
You want to play. Period. If you are not playing and developing where you are, you’d be crazy not to transfer. I think it’s great that they have that opportunity now. On the other hand, they need to be making their decisions with good information. Love to see players like Jalen Cone go somewhere where they can thrive.
[Post edited by Squatro at 04/23/2022 09:23AM]
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UpperQuad
Depends on the sport and post-athletic plans
If my Olympic sport got me into a top academic school that sets me up for a career in a field like business, law, science or medicine, I'd take a backup role and focus on the degree and grades. If I'm playing basketball at a P5 school, I'd focus on maximizing my chances at a payday in the NBA or Europe and want to go to a school that gives me as much playing time as possible. There are more athletes in the first category than the 2nd one.
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GreenvilleVT OP
I’m not sure I’d be super pumped about transferring to a team
That wins 9 games.
[Post edited by GreenvilleVT at 04/23/2022 09:53AM]
K
KCHokie2
Wofford, you say? {twirls moustache}**

[Post edited by KCHokie2 at 04/22/2022 9:09PM]
C
crazylane
Right up our ally : )
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7Hokie1
A lot of them will be playing in their back yards or the Y.
H
HokieJamie
Lasalle had coaching change that usually prompts portak action
Coastal has a 76 year old coach no idea what is up with wofford
NC Hoke NC Hoke
Spotted an old 4* VT decommit in there.
Anthony Harris.
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UpperQuad
Didn't he have injury issues?
NC Hoke NC Hoke
Yes he did. Looks like he is looking for a fresh start.
Might be a good pick up for us for some added guard depth. I believe he is a combo guard.
[Post edited by NC Hoke at 04/22/2022 1:59PM]
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HokieJamie
He did something at unc they benched him in january
Saying he would still practice but not play
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RJHokie
He went to class?
Man, that was stupid…….🥴
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Jbohokie63
Spit my coffee out
No_Limit_Hokie No_Limit_Hokie
Zing!
I
icelus
How many of them there voluntarily? Difference between Alleyne vs. Haynes
NC Hoke NC Hoke
Both kinds of players in the portal.
It’s a round up of all the under the radar talent the bigger programs missed. Unfortunately the lower level kids who had scholarships will end up being pushed out in this process.
Vienna_Hokie Vienna_Hokie
Looking at the ACC list, probably a lot
there are about 4 guys (2 from Pitt and Alleyne) who scored over 9 ppg. The norm is 1 to 2. For the most part guys who are taking up roster spots, not contributing and likely looking for a chance to play elsewhere after a likely unpleasant conversation with the coaching staff.
[Post edited by Vienna_Hokie at 04/22/2022 1:16PM]
vt90 vt90
Same in football. This is the fallout of the extra COVID year in addition
to players just getting more comfortable with the idea of the portal. Plus, in basketball where you can leave for the NBA earlier than in football, the adds another variable in terms of freedom of movement.
AirborneHokie96 AirborneHokie96
I think it is more a result of our current culture more than anything
Having been in club and high school athletics for a long time, I see kids switch clubs on a yearly basis due to playing time or disliking a coach for not (insert any) "playing me enough", "playing me at my best position", "developing me", "winning enough trophies" or "playing favorites".

I have friend who thinks his daughter is a D1 softball player. In 7th grade, he moved her to 3 different travel softball teams in 1 season after leaving another team after her 6th grade season. All I heard was the coaches stink here, stink there, blah blah blah.

Now as a 9th grader, she is playing on the 9th grade team and isn't the superstar he wants so there are "politics" at their high school as to why his daughter isn't on the Varsity..much less the JV team.

MP4VT2004 MP4VT2004
It's always someone else's fault...
Stork Stork
Parents are the worst thing about youth athletics.
GCHokieof91 GCHokieof91
I hope your friend doesn’t visit TSL
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WildTurkE
Or Twitter
AirborneHokie96 AirborneHokie96
He is a Golden Domer fan
Ironically enough...he is from Hampton (played for the Crabbers) and I played college ball with his brother in-law. Met him when our daughters played on the same travel team years ago.

Paul_Petera Paul_Petera
This phenomenon is rampant, that's for certain
My daughter just finished her last year of volleyball, headed to play college at the NAIA level next year. The behavior of some of these kids and parents is embarrassing.

I also think that the rise to prominence (and ubiquity) of club sports has not been a good trend, and the club experience for many is a poor one because some club directors aren't good at directing clubs and are in it for the wrong reasons.

But you've got to start with what you can control - frequently, kids' and parents' approaches to sports, humility and expectations need some work.
AirborneHokie96 AirborneHokie96
Agree 100%
The rise of club sports (Pay to Play) has introduced a different dimension to things than when I was a high school and college player.

I think parents and kids feel more entitled these days as a result of the pay to play.

When I played, you had your high school coaches and if you had issues, you resolved them right then with the high school coach. For many, there was not an option to quit and move to another school.

vt90 vt90
Some of these parents have invested $50-$75k over a ten year period ...
for lessons, equipment, club teams, travel, etc, etc with the hope that their son/daughter will get a scholarship. That can certainly impact their outlook on all of it. And many of the kids are effectively athletic royalty through high school and then they get to college and realize they aren't as good as they were led to believe.
Stork Stork
If they only spent half of that on academic training. There are a heck
of a lot more academic scholarships available for kids, than athletics.

But they don’t create the Facebook bragging availability for the moronic parents.
BG Hokie BG Hokie
Well, in fairness, “academic training” would also be a waste of money.
vt90 vt90
A-men!!
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2hhoop3
The irony.....
in that is the "invested amounts" if actually invested are probably a solid start for a college fund. Parents viewing travel/club ball as a college scholarship investment would be wise to realign their priorities and goals.
Stork Stork
Egos, egos, egos. Parents suck.
vt90 vt90
Especially UVa parents.
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GreenvilleVT OP
I work with a lot of families on planning
Also I have several kids who have played sports.

I often illustrate for some of our families the economics of sports costs versus scholarships.

Most college sports are a negative return on investment when weighing participation costs against scholarships.

I know two things for sure from these exercises:
-generally a good student gets much more aid than a good athlete in a non revenue sport.
- good student and good athlete is your best combination.

Athletics can build character, create well rounded individuals and teach life lessons. If you kid enjoys the sport thats great. Or if sports helps them get into or afford a better school. But don’t chase athletic scholarships solely as a financial decision.
AirborneHokie96 AirborneHokie96
Especially for non-revenue sports
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RJHokie
A lot of truth here.
NC Hoke NC Hoke
Those things have always existed. The college transfer rule
is what is filling up the portal now. Now when they are unhappy about anything they get to transfer without sitting out a year.
vt90 vt90
Yep - also a significant factor for sure.