Averaged 20.4 rebounds per game. Once had 36 in a game. Averaged 20 points a game. Hard to overlook.

in the same place. VT has been blessed with some phenomenal athletes over the years and depending on the criteria used the answers might vary. The line of demarcation is pretty clear as to those who belong in the discussion versus those who do not, however, for those in the discussion and drawing the line at 4 the answer is not nearly as clear cut. Enjoy the discussion guys and remember they are all Hokies and be thankful!

ncaa champion in indoor and outdoor track in 2006 and 2007(weight and hammer throw) ** Edited by Hokebury at 1/23/2024, 12:48:37 PM

She won what is basically track and field's Heisman.

Queen Quedith Claye née Harrison (born September 10, 1988) is an American hurdler and sprinter who competed in the 400 metres hurdles at the 2008 Summer Olympics. She was a six-time collegiate All-American at Virginia Tech where she was elected to its sports hall of fame. Queen is a meet director for Virginia's Best Track and Field Classic - VHSL meet hosted in Richmond, Virginia started in 2017.[2] Born in Loch Sheldrake, New York,[3]Harrison attended Hermitage High School in Richmond, Virginia, where she competed in events including hurdling, long jump, and triple jump. She went on to attend Virginia Tech. She set a school record of 55.81 in the 400 meter hurdles while placing third at the 2007 NCAA Championship.[4] Harrison made NCAA history in 2010 by becoming the first woman to ever win both the 100m and 400m hurdles titles at the NCAA Outdoor Championships. She also won the 60m hurdle title at the 2009 NCAA Indoor Championships making her a 3-time national champ while at Virginia Tech. Queen Harrison set an ACC record in the 400 meter hurdles.[5] Harrison placed second at the 400 meter hurdles at 2008 U.S. Olympic Trials with a time of 54.60.[6] Harrison became the first track and field athlete from Virginia Tech to compete at the Olympics.[7] At the 2008 Summer Olympics, Harrison was eliminated in the 400 meter hurdles semifinals after finishing with a time of 55.88 seconds.[8] On December 16, 2010, Queen Harrison won The Bowerman, the "Heisman of Track and Field".

Still holds Tech records.

but certainly there are others worthy of consideration.

Individual: Q Harrison M Lewis Lomnecky or Julien (who won most nattys?) Ramadan Team Bruce Vick Tincher Kitley ** Edited by hokiepro at 1/23/2024, 7:11:31 AM

Liz is two-time ACC Women's Scholar Athlete, not to mention her player of the year and All American awards. That means she is the best student athlete of *every* woman in *every* sport in the ACC. And she led the best basketball team in VT history to a Final Four, which is something no men's or women's VT team has ever done before. The only VT athlete that rivals Liz's accomplishments is Michael Vick. And his are "only" sports related. Liz is the consummate *student athlete." And for that reason she merits the most prominent place on the rock.

Liz is absolyutely incredible...but I wouldn't say she's clearly the "best student athlete of every woman in every sport in the ACC" or that the only VT athlete to rival her accomplishments are Vick. You might want to do some research on Tincher and Queen. Somebody posted Tincher's already....here are Queen's (and neither of them had an extra "covid year"). They certainly "rival" her accomplishments. 2010 Bowerman Award winner (this is a national award...track's Heisman basically) 2009 and 2010 ACC Women's Track Performer of the year Three-time national champion 60m hurdles (2009 NCAA Indoor Championships) 100m hurdles (2010 NCAA Outdoor Championships) 400m hurdles (2010 NCAA Outdoor Championships) First woman to win 100m hurdles and 400m hurdles at the same NCAA championship meet 2008 Beijing Olympics 400m hurdles semifinalist Three school records still standing 60m hurdles (7.94) 100m hurdles (12.46) 400m hurdles (54.55) Six-time All American and five-time individual ACC champion ** Edited by vthokieq at 1/23/2024, 4:08:37 PM

decided for you. Do the research I know exactly what Harrison and Tincher did. Also, not even close. Harrison's gold medals are not VT medals and weren't won in NCAA competition. So they don't accrue to VT. Women's final four. Way better than a single entry, and quick first round loss, in the CWS. it's not even a debate. So, Liz Kitley and Michael Vick are #1 and #2 in some order. Everyone else lags behind, significantly.

She won MULTIPLE national NCAA titles…those are VT NCAA golds

golds. Unfortunately, I value team sports more than individual and the reason is this: in track and field alone there 53 gold medals. And that's for outdoor only. Indoor has 44 gold medals every year. That's 97 gold medals every single year in T&F. Those medals are great, but they are absolutely nothing like a team championship, for which there is only ONE per year. Or even a Final Four (of which there are obviously only 4 per year). They just aren't the same magnitude on what they mean in the overall picture of VT Athletics. I shouldn't really have to explain the math, but I just have.

Which is why I said ranking individual vs team sport athletes should be in separate categories because they’re not comparable I was just confused by you saying Harrison didn’t win those w/VT & NCAA

the post-college accomplishments of athletes somehow accrue to the university, when they almost never do. Olympic gold medals, Super Bowls, NBA Championships (yeah, I'm looking at you, you Steph Curry nutjobs) - none of those make a damn bit of difference to college those players attended. Davidson is not a powerhouse now, right? They're not even any good. So the benefit to Davidson for the fact that Curry played there is limited to the slight possibility that he'll donate a big sum. That's it. But yeah, I definitely agree that NCAA gold medals of course matter, and should be counted when you're thinking about the "greatness" of a college athlete.

Krist Castlin won a bronze I think but Queen didn’t get to the Olympic final in her event That’s what confused me…you were talking “gold” and saying they weren’t NCAA with VT. But those were the only “golds” she won unless she won something in another meet but it wasn’t the Olympics

I don't think anyone even mentioned her post career though. Making the Olympic team WHILE she was at VT is absolutely an accomplishment though...and would've been for Liz as well if she had been selected for the US team. King clearly doesn't know the accomplishments of these other athletes (see Tincher below)....and for some reason is hyper sensitive when it comes to last years women's team and Liz. Nobody here is even tearing Liz down at all. It's just odd.

VT women finished 5th nationally the year Queen won her titles. I don’t know what you’re referencing regarding Gold medals. I get it…recency bias. But to say it isn’t even close is just silly.

twice now. She was chosen over every single other woman athlete in the ACC. This isn't something you get to decide. It's been decided already. I don't know how I can make this more clear. Or are you just being obtuse?

You were provided with evidence that should've at least made you reconsider the absolute nature of your post above and now you want to focus on JUST the scholar side. Even though you know that wasn't the intent of the original question that started this thread. You think it provides you your "out". The problem is you put her on the same pedestal with Vick and then try hang your hat on just the academic side. Yeah...that doesn't work...because Queen and Tincher would still belong in that conversation with their accomplishments on just the athletic side, just as Vick. Nobody is saying Kitley doesn't belong in the conversation...the argument is that these others that you so easily dismissed do as well. Perhaps it's you that's being obtuse.

I would suggest you read up on Bimbo's accomplishments before throwing out blanket statements. He did several things that are unique like representing the county on the Olympic team and earned plenty of accolades during his high school, college and professional career. Here is an information from Sons of Saturday. Virginia Tech basketball is often connected closely with the big name Dell Curry; however, Bimbo Coles passed Dell on the all-time scoring list after his four years, and he remains at the top spot to this day. His given name is Vernell Eufaye Coles. His family gave him the nickname “Bimbo” from a country song, and it stuck with him. Bimbo was a multi-sport athlete at Greenbrier Eat High School in Lewisburg, West Virginia. He was recruited in all of the sports he played in high school and eventually went with basketball at the next level for the Hokies. Bimbo was so gifted in baseball that he was selected by Phillies in 86’ out of high school and then again after his 4 years at Tech by the Angels in the MLB draft. In high school football, he was named all-state twice and once named All-American and could have certainly played football in college too. Bimbo is the most decorated men’s basketball player Virginia Tech has seen with a list of accolades in college alone that in enviable. Virginia Tech was in the Metro Conference during Bimbo’s career from 1986-1990. He is the only player in conference history to lead the league in scoring and assists in the same season. He also boasts 2,465 points in his career which is not only the most in Virginia Tech school history, but it is the most in the now defunct Metro Conference. The Olympic team back in 1988 was composed of all college players. Bimbo had the opportunity to play alongside players such as Danny Manning and David Robinson on the Olympic team, who brought back the Bronze Medal that year. The team lacked major success in the Metro Conference and the NCAA as a whole during Bimbo’s tenure, but his individual accolades lead to his number 12 Jersey hanging in the rafters at Cassell. Bimbo went on to be selected by the Sacramento Kings in the 1990 NBA draft, but he was immediately traded to the Miami Heat where he played for about 5 seasons. The Heat was a new franchise at this time, so there was a point where Bimbo had the assist record for the team. He went on to play for the Golden State Warriors, Atlanta Hawks, Cleveland Cavaliers, and Boston Celtics. He, like Dell Curry, was a bit of a journeyman in his NBA career. He was a key player for over 13 years for each of these teams and a strong ambassador for the Hokies at the professional level. Virginia Tech has a richer history on the gridiron than the hardwood, but Bimbo Coles is a historical icon for the basketball program and has his name cemented in the record books and the lore of Hokie hoops.

all about. Bimbo never even got to the NCAAT. How can he be among the 4 greatest VT student athletes? Just like for Queen Harrison, his Olympic gold medal does not accrue to VT's credit. And he hardly even had any impact on that team, unlike Harrison who won two on her own! So Bimbo is not even close to making Mt Rushmore. Sorry

That’s competent Your ignorance of Angela Tincher’s individual and team accomplishments is glaring Queen Harrison’s too

Queen never won an Olympic Gold medal and I don't recall anyone here saying she did (I know I didn't).

course pitched a shut out against the National Olympic Team. Here is some info off of Wikipedia: 2006 ESPN the Magazine Second-Team Academic All-American 2006 ACC Player and Pitcher of the Year; First-Team All-ACC 2006 Second-Team NFCA All-American 2007 ESPN the Magazine First-Team Academic All-American 2007 ACC Tournament MVP 2007 ACC Pitcher of the Year; First-team All-ACC 2007 First-Team NFCA All-American 2008 AAU Sullivan Award Finalist 2008 Lowe's Senior CLASS Softball Award 2008 ACC Tournament MVP 2008 ACC Pitcher of the Year; First-team All-ACC 2008 USA Softball Collegiate Player of the Year 2008 Honda Sports Award winner 2008 One of five finalist for the Honda-Broderick Cup 2008 Espy's Best Female Collegiate Athlete Nominee She would also leave Virginia Tech holding the school career records for wins, shutouts, ERA, innings pitched, WHIP, strikeout ratio, opponents average, no-hitters, game, season and career strikeouts. She would also hold or tie for the ACC crown for all except ERA. Tincher ranks third behind Monica Abbott and Cat Osterman on the NCAA Division I Softball career strikeouts list. Finally, she ranks second in career strikeout ratio (13.4) and is tied sixth for no-hitters (14). On March 26, 2008, Tincher pitched a no-hitter, striking out 10 batters in a 1–0 exhibition win over the United States Olympic softball team, ending its 185-game pre-Olympic exhibition game winning streak dating back to 1996. It was the first loss to a true college team in USA softball's history.

national stage. The recent softball teams have far exceeded what Tincher's teams did. And that has to be a major part of the equation in team sports. Also, the win over the USWNT was an exhibition game. It's moo. It's like a cow -- it doesn't matter.

I love Liz’s skill & her game & accomplishments but saying she’s CLEARLY accomplished more than Tincher is flat out wrong

Tincher's team is the only VT softball team to make it to the women's world series.

She was dominant on the big stage (winning the ACC tourney's, getting to the WCWS and a no-hitter vs the Olympic Team), the recent softball teams have been higher ranked but can not put it together at tourney time.

Is hosting regionals and supers Tincher led us to ROAD wins vs Tennessee & Michigan in regionals and supers to get us to the Women’s College World Series ** Edited by hokiepro at 1/25/2024, 8:35:03 AM

Harrison was an NCCA champion and won the Bowerman, which is track & field's equivalent of the Heisman. She also competed in the Olympics. Kitley's great, but Queen was the equivalent of a #1 draft pick in her sport.

Bruce Smith won the Outland Trophy, #1 draft pick, led nation in sacks and is NFL’s all time sack leader

I consider that the greatest measuring stick because it has no bias. Teams want to win, and they fight over the best college players in the country every year. The same with MV1. And anyone thinking Rod Dayne deserved the Heisman more than Mike is an idiot. Not only was Mike the most explosive and entertaining player in college football, but he was also drafted #1 when he came out, and that was the year he played several games on one leg.