Worst case scenario
We end up in some cobbled-together conference that includes FSU and Clemson. The SEC doesn’t want them, and despite rumors to the contrary, I doubt the Big-10 does either. This conference would include the more football-oriented members of the ACC and maybe some of the more eastern-dwelling members of the Big-12. Not sure how strict the new Big-12 contracts are, but that aside, I would assume a team like WVU would rather play in a conference that includes Clemson, FSU, VT, and maybe Pitt.
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Isn't that the question of all questions here?
The Rich Eisen Show today was soft yet so very powerful. He is correct - Greg Sankey and Tony Petitti are going to separate their conferences from the rest in football. They almost have no choice.
The B1G and SEC are both going to expand before the super league comes to fruition. It won't be a massive expansion. When that happens is VT moving to get out of the ACC and if so, wouldn't they be attempting to do what FSU/Clemson are doing now?
You can sit back and let FSU/Clemson do the dirty work while cursing their names when in time it will be your turn to decide if VT wants to play for a Tier 1 championship with the best.
I would be supporting a plan to move yesterday. See the future, be the future.
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RICH EISEN SHOW - May 31
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most every day and yours is "P2".
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Planning whatever strategy for when the opportunity presents itself that is necessary, regardless of cost. A super conference will expand past FSU/Clemson/ND in time.
While I was never a fan of SMU getting voted into the ACC you have to respect the Mustangs doing whatever it took to get out of the G5 pool. SMU should be erecting a statue of David Miller on campus for his foresight and financial contributions to make it happen. Especially after the PAC 12 disaster that almost blew out the SMU wish candles.
This also proves my point that FSU/Clemson do have a P2 offer already. Without it where would they be suing to go? But most fans outside those circles can't seem to connect those dots yet. No other ACC member is suing to get out because they have no landing spot yet. If VT did, they would have their own lawsuit. When that time comes, make sure any ACC deal provides that opp.
I believe that VT is on the cusp of being a P2 future member...or not. It's close, hoping VT officials are at least planning on what it will take to make it happen, even at less than full shares.
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You are speaking in platitudes and I have a hard time telling what you mean
For example, you say that you would support a plan to get out "yesterday" and that we should have a plan to get out "regardless of cost." This sort of language shows more of a sense of urgency, than a sense of reality.
Sure, we should be trying to establish a plan to both exit the ACC, and enter one of the two P2 conferences. But in no way can these things realistically be done "yesterday" or even next week. As far as I know, we have no deal (formal or informal) with the Big Ten or the SEC. Does FSU and Clemson? Probably so. But we aren't FSU or Clemson, who have more football cachet than we do and no in-state public school that they are aligned with WRT their departure. There's levels to this.
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Lastly, doing almost anything in life "regardless of cost" is usually a bad idea. Perhaps there are things in life where this maxim would apply, but for my money, college athletics isn't one of them. If the SEC came knocking right now and offered us the SMU deal (no TV revenue for 9 years), would you take it? If so, then you are setting up the program for failure and you could bankrupt the athletic department and we would probably never whiff a CFP birth (unless we come into SMU oil money). If no, then you are going against pretty much everything you just wrote.
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A very good response. Apologize for typing in platitudes. I did not wish to write a chapter with each response to be more clear.
I was referring to a plan. Obviously schools like VT have no way to put that plan into full action at this juncture.
SMU did move "regardless of cost". Getting into power conference football has a massive cost and it's only getting bigger with the new brand of college athletics about to play out. Schools have to figure if they can afford this route moving forward. Many will not afford it even if they wish to do so.
But again, your response here has my respect.
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Good response. To the frustration of both of us, we aren't privy to what VT
is doing behind the scenes. We can only hope and speculate.
But for me, this is what I hope is going on:
My best case scenario is for us to get into the Big Ten on our own merits. I don't think this is as far-fetched as others think. And we should aim high. Up until now, I preferred the SEC for VT. But since their adds of West Coast teams, they are more national. And I kinda like that. The SEC is still quasi-regional. But the B1G isn't afraid to expand into any region. And VT could be their bridge to the South. I think if the B1G takes Clemson, that VT would be another great football brand in the mid-Atlantic/South that would put teeth into the B1G expansion in these areas. The fact that the B1G took four from the west, and not just two gives me hope.
OTOH, I think we could be a nice sell (on our own) to the SEC. Maybe a bit of a different sales pitch. But same energy.
If one of these P2 takes BOTH UVa and VT, then fine. But to me, banking on that without a back up plan would be negligent.
Otherwise, we might be off to the Big XII.
BTW, this might be a minority view, but I'd prefer to go to the Big Ten without UVa (assuming they would go to the SEC with UNC). I enjoyed the days when VT was in the Big East and UVa was in the ACC and there with a little conference pride on the line in the Commonwealth Cup. Good times, good times.
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I want a stable conference.
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we will better be able to keep good to great coaches due to the money difference. However, if we don’t, we will have a much better chance to win the Conference.
Either way, we will have challenges, the easy life, is a HUGE MYTH!! Learn to love challenges if you want to enjoy your life!! That’s it, that’s the secret to a happy life.
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And I thought it was Happy Wife/Happy Life. Or maybe Happy Wife = challenge
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SEC takes UNC, NCSU and UVA. Suddenly it is the SEC that is the "home conference" in our area. Remember trying to fight the ACC when we were first an independent, then BE? It was an uphill fight.
Now think about VT surrounded by UT to the west, UNC/NCSU to the southeast and UVA to the NE, all backed by the SEC.
The only other scenario that would be as bad or worse it if we get taken and NCSU gets left behind. Not many places that would have that much P2 in their backyards and that is a killer. That is a recipe for the withering away of VT (NCSU) football. If (big if) FSU and Clemson to the Big and UNC, UVA and NCSU to the SEC, there would not be enough space to really float a mid level ACC nor have the XII be able to help at all. Nothing at all to help the die hard VT eyeballs even if 6 or 9 (I think ND, Stanford and Cal are more temporary than Clemson)
That would create a conference of VT, Duke, Wake, GT, Miami, SMU, Cuse, BC, Pitt and Lville. Even with a payout due to the GOR payments from 7 teams, It would be very tough for VT to compete in our home area ringed in like that.. Not even ESPN's full backing of this new ACC to go along side the Big 12, (minus the 4 corner schools and maybe plus SMU) would improve VT competitiveness because we would be fighting the SEC all around.
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Worst case is VT in B12 with Pitt, Syr, Lou and BC. UVA and UM to B1G….
Clemson, FSU, UNC and NCs to SEC
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XII decides they've expanded enough and we're left in a compilation of the worst of the ACC and Big East. I bet we even add Temple, at that point.
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that uneven 2003 season. There were some quitters on that team
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That was such a let down year
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Don’t forget ECU, JMU and ODU
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I am sure 3rd party talks have happened and these two know where they can go.
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I am just trying to wrap my head around this whole thing. If they are going to have to pay so much money to get out where it is basically a wash with just staying in the ACC with regards to money over the next ten years, why not just wait 10 years and win the ACC and get a bye in the tournament?
Not counting that one year, either FSU or Clemson has won every ACC Championship for the past 13 years. I know FSU got screwed last year and that is what truly started all of this craziness but that team in the SEC might have had 3 losses and not even in the conversation where this year they would be a top seed with the changes to the playoff structure.
If they go to the Big Ten or SEC, they are going to get beat up on I would think and their fans might lose some interest when they are not even in the running for a playoff spot. Hard to say what will happen but if you don't win the lawsuit, sticking with what you have, cutting a deal for a higher percentage of annual payouts and making it stronger might be in their best interest.
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truly believe they can make more money in the Big Ten or SEC, even factoring in any buyout to the ACC, then sticking it out in the ACC until June 30, 2036 would be a bad financial move on their part. Also, I believe the current CFP structure is only for the 2024 and 2025 seasons unless something has changed recently. If I was the AD at either school, then I wouldn't assume the ACC would be in a good situation for the next CFP agreement.
It is possible that the ACC and even the Big XII could be relegated to a G5 status for the next CFP agreement. Likewise, the P2 could always decide the time is right to have their own CFP and let the remaining FBS conferences do their own thing for football. If you were the AD or even the school president at Clemson or FSU, then would you be willing to stake your reputation and even your job that the ACC's position within the FBS structure will not change between today and June 30, 2036? Some times the right business decision is to put yourself in a position to be ready for the next evolution that could come at any time instead of taking the easier path because the easier path may not lead you to your ideal long term destination.
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It should be interesting.
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a lot of potential factors that could come into play. Some may have already been mentioned by someone on here and others may be ones that people had not considered for whatever reason.
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said is that once you have a seat at the table it is much more difficult to be removed. It might be that financially there are unknowns but, for FSU and Clemson they may perceive their chance is now while their programs are relatively hot versus waiting and then being less desirable. There are very few programs considered perennial powers and FSU and Clemson are both on the fringes of that club. We've seen FSU struggle with Bowden's departure and they have yet to really establish they are a long term brand after Bowden. The same can be said for Clemson and Dabo. They have had a good run with 2 exceptional quarterbacks but, their staying power is still in question. VT fans should understand that well given the fits and starts in moving on from Beamer.
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a reputation from '79-'91 under Ford and Hatfield. Some may even say Clemson's rise under Dabo is a return of what Ford/Hatfield had built there. Now of course Dabo has exceeded those standards and will be the new bar for any future HCs at Clemson. Then of course there was the Frank Howard era ('40-69).
The same may not be said about FSU though. Prior to Bowden, FSU didn't really have much of a history as compared to Clemson. Part of the reason people are more willing to overlook Clemson is because SC isn't considered to be a crown jewel state as compared to FL.
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is ready to take you. You also don't rattle the cage of the current media company paying you, without having another media company ready to take you.
If inside99 is right, I see it landing this way with the Mag 7+1, FSU, Clemson, ND and Miami to the B1G.
SEC/ESPN doubles down on Virginia and North Carolina to get the Flag Ship Football and Basketball schools in each state.
Who knows when though? However, he said sooner rather than later.
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"blog journalist" throwing dog feces up against their basement wall and hoping something sticks.
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to participate in the CFP. Which so far that has not happened. They have access to the CFP. In fact, they have better access than before the playoffs expanded. I imagine ND feels great about the currect situation.
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don’t think their access to the playoff is that great. First they will never get a bye in the first round, second both the B1G and SEC have set it up to dominate the playoff bids and money. Just take a close look at the new playoff agreement and the settlement agreement to get a good idea of their domination.
So while I am surprised they are talking about it happening sooner rather than later, a lot has changed in those two areas the last month or so that could have them rethinking things. The good thing about INSIDE99 post is he has put date on it, fireworks on or before July 4th. Keep your eyes on the skies 😁
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they have masterfully managed the P2 as well as the ACC to put themselves into a stronger position than before. The question is what and when did Swarbrick and ND know of the SEC's plan with Texas and OU and the B1G's subsequent response with USC and UCLA? They parlayed the entire thing into more money and better playoff access while maintaining their independence.
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how the GOR ends up. Not that they aren't worthy, but because ESPN and FOX already have contracts for the P2 signed. That would be an additional $480M to $640M in additional costs to the networks at full shares.
No way that happens until the next round of contract negotiations for the BIG and SEC - if ever.
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The ACC will be paying out well over $50M per year with CFP money and an easier route to a Top 4 seed. And the ACC already agreed to unequal pay for Playoff bids. So FSU and Clemson could easily be looking at well over $60M+ in the ACC if they remain playoff teams. So…it can’t just be money.
I wish it could just stop for the next 6 years and see how things go. Get NIL and the portal regulated, set contracts so players and schools are tied to each other for more than a few months and things could get pretty good.
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structure is only for the next 2 years (2024 and 2025). What we don't know is what the next CFP agreement will look like and for how long it will be in place. It is possible that Oregon and UDub were willing to take less money than the ACC for the next 2 years because either school could end up making more money than the ACC on the next CFP agreement.
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there is the possibility that ESPN helps negotiate a settlement that the schools leaving pay 100’s of millions to the ACC, but the GOR ends. How do they do that? They tell the ACC if you agree to the settlement, we agree to extend the ACC contract, but if you don’t, you will get nothing because we will not extend it. One way you survive and get something, the other way you die on the Hill like the PAC. So while you might not agree it will happen, there is a way this could get done.
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Now they may offer FSU, Clemson and the ACC a settlement like what was posted but I would think for ESPN to get that deep into it would mean retaining FSU and Clemson in their stable.
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for ESPN to make it easier for FSU/Clemson to go to the Big and Fox.
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are right.
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They do. They have already decided that they are paying way too many teams they don't need. They decide who gets in the P2, what the new mid level P2 "feeder" conferences look like and how few scraps will be left for the G5, G6 or whatever.
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to Fox/B1G. So I get why you think that ESPN doesn’t want them to go, but he seems to think overall they are better off if they let them go because of that and getting new markets versus markets they already do well in.
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what "new" markets will ESPN be getting? There will be some movement from the ACC to the SEC but that will only cost ESPN more. Unless this makes ND a full ACC member, where are the "new" markets that can replace what Clemson has and what FSU has?
FSU and Clemson leaving the ACC and going to the Big is a double net loss to ESPN UNLESS somehow there is some as yet undisclosed agreement that FOX "pays" ESPN for those 2.
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be kept to their own if they take all 4. If they split them between the SEC & B1G, they will still be in all 4 states.
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why wouldn't they have great value to the SEC? If it looks like the Big could come in and carve out a chunk of Fla and SC, isn't that value lost enough for the SEC to act? Seems to me that FSU and Clemson will make the SEC a lot more money than they make the Big.
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let’s see if you are right, and they end up in the SEC instead of the B1G. That’s possible, but IMHO right now, not probable. However, like Virginia Tech initially left out the ACC first round of expansion in 2003, things can change over night.
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They and other media companies influence realignment decisions by telling the conferences which programs are considered most valuable. Those are not necessarily the most desired programs of the conferences.
Do you suppose ESPN was thrilled about The ACC's most recent adds? I promise you it not ESPN's idea.
About FSU/Clemson; ESPN enjoys having them in The ACC. But those guys are leaving and ESPN can do nothing about it. They could try offering a huge gob of money, but to whom? To the conference? That would require a payout at P2 levels, a non-starter. To those two programs? That would be a slap in the face to the other schools, and the media payout is not the sum total of P2 revenue advantages. Those two schools are gone.
So how does ESPN proceed? I think they will let the contract expire. They will enter into negotiations for a new contract that includes excruciating detail about composition, with specific schools named and specific prices attached. They won't go out of their way to stop realignment. But they will install protections in the contract.
The impetus for realignment will come from the P2 and ESPN will make the necessary adjustments.
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but, the guys signing the checks have a whole lot of control over everything. You missed the mark here by a wide margin.
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No. Temporarily, Maybe. In any event they can make things difficult for them, if they so choose, and most likely they will use their leverage in the manner they believe best benefits their future activities.
However, my response was not about preventing but, about your other naive assertion that they influence realignment by telling which programs are valuable and the recent adds were not ESPN's idea. While the original idea MIGHT have come from outside I assure you that as the person signing the checks they were monitoring and had final sign off on the addition. Media companies are doing far more than suggesting when they are signing the checks. That is just business common sense that you control your money and investment.
As far as how ESPN will proceed, that remains to be seen. In addition, without more specific knowledge of the actual contract terms most everything is an uninformed WAG.
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They can. The question is, would it make sense for them to do so?
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Where that lands, nobody knows. Who will be in the conference? Nobody knows. The ACC is not the PAC, nor do they have 8 teams that can bring P2 money to the table. I just think it's wishful thinking that either Fox or ESPN is going to come off of another 1/2 billion (with a B), for anyone.
If the mag 7 all had landing spots in the P2, their would be 7 schools suing the ACC. Nothing is 100%, and we are all only guessing the FSU and Clemson have an offer in hand.
Settle with FSU and Clemson, secure your contract through '36 (or some other date that can be negotiated), and lets play ball already.
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does is for $700 million each from the two schools leaving.
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pretty easy for us "fans" to decide, but until we get a copy of ESPN's contract, we don't have enough info to know. In addition, if you enter into a shotgun wedding to keep the ACC together, you no longer have a conference. I just don't see that happening.
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And remember, what ever is in the ACC contract will likely be exactly the same in the SEC and Big 12. I would expect by the Big 10 entering on the side of the ACC says that their Fox contract is essentially the same as well.
IMHO in the end it will all be about the GOR. I don't see the exit fee challenge really having any weight as most of the charges of excessive are based on what somebody paid a while ago. If the GOR stands up in court, then the question is how can the ACC collect. I don't think ESPN has any heartburn about FSU/Clemson departure to the Big being held up.
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ACC to fold, they are in this business to make money, not conferences. I also don't think that ESPN will up the conference payouts to the level that will make FSU, or anyone else happy, based on the media payment disparity that now exists. Frankly, I don't think that ESPN really cares that much except for their investments in the ACCN.
FSU/Clemson will not make or break ESPN. They are however, in a position to make or break the ACC. The conference drama (is there a better term?) may put ESPN in a position to make the age old decision - fight or flight. They are not going to come off the money based on the PAC and B12 negotiations. FOX has their properties, and neither media outlet NEEDS the ACC to make a buck.
This is not to imply that the ACC isn't worth it, as I am a B12 troll. What I'm trying to say is that the ACC may be pulling a PAC, and not be grateful for what they have. The conference, at no fault of their own, is in disarray, and that puts them in a very risky position to ink long term media contracts. ESPN may want nothing to do with with this mess at the price that many think they are worth. It's pure business at this point.
The SEC and Big10 have their media deals, and their guaranteed playoff money. It is the playoff money look in that may make FSU and Clemson attractive to those conferences, not the media money. Given the new NCAA settlement, why in the world would ESPN or FOX come off of 100's of million dollars to rearrange the ACC, or pay up to 7 schools P2 money until we see how this plays out?
The ACC is currently in negotiations with ESPN in regards to the media contract. Phillips said so himself. I don't see them inking a contract with all of the current uncertainty (drama) - they need guarantees and certainty.
The B12 got lucky with their timing on their media contract. The PAC didn't, and then the B12 got lucky with the 4 corners.
The ACC is not lucky with their timing here. While I don't contend that it will be lucky again for the B12, it is certainly something the schools in the ACC should be wary of.
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It is, FSU and Clemson are screaming about the ESPN/ACC contract but they will have to accept and be under a very similar contract from the B10 or SEC so why is the contract an issue?
Next question, why do you think ESPN will give up FSU and Clemson to Fox so easily? Why would ESPN not stand with the ACC and make it way more difficult if not impossible for the two schools to go to the Big and Fox.
No question at this time about the ACC.
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because of the disparity in the amounts. I don't think that FSU/Clemson have a problem with tOSU, Michigan, Bama, Texas, or a few others making more money than them. They have a problem with Mississippi State, Missouri, Indiana, Rutgers, and many others making more money than they are. It's not fair, and they are right. THAT is why the contract is an issue. If they are accepted like OU and WU in the Big 10 as an example, they may not get a full share right away, but when the next contract is negotiated, the bet is that they will get a full share. That is up to the P2 and FSU/Clemson to negotiate - and they are probably right.
2nd point. If the ACC GOR holds up, and the ACC holds the rights to FSU/Clemson, then ESPN is not giving up anything. They do not have the rights to FSU/Clemson, or anyone else in the ACC - it's the $64,000 question. WHO owns the rights?
Keep in mind, it wasn't too long ago that ESPN held the rights to broadcast the Big 10 games. FOX wasn't in the mix. Then it was FOX that took the gamble, and backed the launch of the BTN, and the rest is history.
ESPN owns the ACC as much as FOX owns the Big 10. It's a mirage, as they only hold the rights to broadcast the games for a period of time - they do not hold the rights to the brands, conference, or teams.
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1st point. What you just said, FSU is saying we signed a GOR happily giving the ACC the right to negotiate as they did, we were ok with the deal and have collected lots of $$$. There was nothing wrong with the contract, which if they didn't review it, that is on them. There is nothing unique with the GOR that they didn't know at the time they signed it. All that stuff FSU is blowing smoke about is just that stuff. The only real point is the ACC did not keep up with the P2 but that is an unreasonable point because as of right now, of the former P5, the ACC is right in the middle. So there is nothing, nothing at all to all the complaints against the ACC's management. Certainly not as good as the SEC but that is different.
Then there is the "snub" What did FSU reasonably expect the ACC to do? The media set the matchups and no matter how much Jim Philips took to the mike, it would have made no difference, It was not the ACC, it was the networks who really engineered the snub.
They have only one point, "IT'S NOT FAIR, WE DESERVE MORE." wah, wah, wah!!!!! Yes they are right they are worth more in todays market. But, they signed a contract (the GOR) and what they are really asking is to throw all rules and protections for every other team out and just do what is best for them at the moment. To them, the only rule is what is best for them at the moment and in the next moment something different happens then today's contracts are worthless because they are no longer
best for FSU.
2nd point, You got this one dead wrong unless there is an as yet uncovered covenant in the contract in which the ACC pledges any recovery back to ESPN. The one snippet of the contract that on this, Clemson and FSU tried to twist is on in which ESPN says they are under and will take no obligation to collect once a team leaves. Then you are right again, what these "rights" are really worth is the big question. But in the end, if a court upholds the value, then the ACC may just file a judgement and levy against any FSU asset if FSU bucks the payment.
Again on the last point, we agree, ESPN owns the ACC, Big 12, and the SEC and FOX owns the Big because what they control is the pipeline that carries the ability to earn $$$$. Without that pipeline none of the brands, teams nor conferences are worth much at all.
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but not at a full payout. A partial payout may not be good enough to motivate a school to sue the ACC. However, I would not be surprised if only two currently have offers to the P2.
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your popcorn and let's see if he is right or wrong.
PS You may not want this, but if Virginia Tech goes to the SEC, I hope Kansas goes with them. I think you said you live in Virginia now, if so, you will love watching games in Lane or Cassell! I will guarantee it, we are great to away fans, at least most of the time. :-)
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The last day to announce for being out in 2025.
The fireworks start now.
Rumor Mill will be cranking them out daily.
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that it doesn't matter to me if KU plays in the ACC, B12, SEC, Big 10, or the Mountain West. They will always put a top basketball team on the court, and their football games will always be fun to attend. I'm not virtual signaling, I'm just saying that no matter how this plays out, KU will field top notch college athletics - but the football is definitely more fun when you are winning, and vying for a conference championship. I believe that without a doubt, KU's chances of getting into the expanded playoffs will be better in the B12 than Missouri's chances in the SEC - and to me, that's all that really matters.
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The existing suits will settle the key questions that apply to all the teams.
And if FSU and CU leave, then the remaining teams would have a different set of issues if they wanted to sue. The lack of legal action does not mean there is a lack of interest in leaving.
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Stech
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assumed that ND would go to the Big 10, I'll wait until the conference announcements.
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EDGEMAN
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They just haven't chosen to use it.
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be more attractive to WVU. The problem is, that conference turned their back on WVU at every turn. Cincy and UConn as well. If you end up with FSU and Clemson staying in the ACC, and the contract is extended, the B12 just might pick up UConn, and the future ACC will be talking about poaching them from the B12 - and once again, it will be too late.
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The different timezone. WVU's culture is unique where ever they go, they are the only game in the state so the entire state is behind them and they base of operations is not about to be encroached by the P2.
Put another way, they are in a P2 football desert which gives them a huge advantage. To me, that is the big advantage the Big 12 has as being the leading mid level conference, way less P2 in their total area.
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The B12 is lucky to have them.
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ACC has been playing from behind since then, always a little too late, always reacting.
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