ACC feels like it has to do something so they are going to knee-jerk this whole thing

At this point the ACC needs more members to keep up in the P4 race. If everyone else has closed the door on the PAC leftovers then the ACC is almost forced to get off their butts and take the chance to grow. Even just earlier today I thought the ACC’s best move was to wait and not grab any east coast teams. But if they can grab 4 west coast schools, including some very good academic ones, then go for it. This could even open up some new academic opportunities for partnerships that benefit the ACC schools. At this point anything is possible and nothing makes sense so let’s make the All Coast Conference.

Cal and Stanford are not doing that. We are fine as we are. We don't need to big 12 this and end up with charity cased. There is no one that adds value. Best move is staying pat.

It doesn't matter if our 14 teams are projected to earn more the next 10 years. It doesn't matter that we've won 4 if the last 10 ball championships and have the second most football championships. Right now the perception is that everyone is about to leave. Ignoring the fact that noone is leaving for the Big12. Their GOR comes open again soon and we'll still be together. They are perceived to have momentum. They've also benefited from being a small conference in both payouts and basketball metrics. I predict both will suffer as they become a 16 team league.

To give them all at least a semblance of a reasonable travel schedule.

The ACC should do the same and include WSU and OSU.

That wouldn't suck.

How do you know this? I have been following this pretty closely and didn't hear this before.

comes down to it, these institutions are here to help the states, USA and world. That's more important than FBS titles.

for Cal and Stanford. Not in a million years did either Universities ever consider that they need a home for their athletics. It is most unfortunate the PAC fell apart. The country needs the ACC to thrive.

that enhance football, and more importantly, more money. You are not wrong, but there might be a different way of looking at this that isn't wrong either. I know it's a tough pill to swallow, but the ACC will not be a P2. The BIG and SEC already have all but a handful of the blue blood top football programs. That being said, the ACC needs to position itself to survive the next set of dominos. We don't know if all of the mag 7 schools have an invite to the P2 or not. Based on the structure of the contracts, we may not know until the SEC or BIG get close to the end of their current negotiated contracts. The only options for any school in the ACC is to get invited to the P2, or stay and make the ACC conference as strong as possible - for survival. I have this opinion because in the B12, Texas wouldn't let the B12 invite Cincy and Louisville when they were available. They were against expansion unless it brought them more money and prestige. Then they left their conference mates in the dust. The same thing happened to the PAC when ALL of the B12 teams were available, looking for a landing spot. The football powers did not want to expand, and the academic elites did not want any lowly B12 schools in their conference. You guys are approaching this like Texas and the PAC, and it will not end well for those not invited to the P2. The non mag 7 sees this, and may just outvote all the schools that have applied to the P2. They want to make the ACC a landing spot, and not end up like the PAC, Big East, SWC, and the near death B12 of 2 years ago. ** Edited by Big12 guy at 8/8/2023, 8:52:06 AM

Don't have to be P2, but to keep the top teams, the ACC must increase payouts. Adding welfare schools just ensures that the top schools will leave and we will join the B12 as a second tier conference. TX and OU were right to reject more welfare of the money they were most key in generating and FSU, Clem, Miami and NC would be justified in blowing it all up if the conference decides to add more takers that also massively increase operating costs.