however the fact remains we should have never hired a 1st time HC in the first place. I don't believe most VT fans have the patience when we have had the long time issues with the football team, which include the later years of the Beamer era, and most of the Fuente era. The entire past few games have been a litany of incompetence, whether it be an inability to teach our kids to avoid penalties, or be it clock management, or be it a sheer inability to recruit. When Pry was first hired, I expressed a cautious optimism, despite the fact we really needed an experienced HC. The general consensus from the media outlets as well as virtually everyone on this board was that he needed to hire experienced coordinators to balance out his own inexperience. To my shock, he hired 2 guys, Bowen and Marve, who were both completely unqualified for their positions but who appeared to be FOP's (Friends of Pry). Bowen whose only OC experience at the FBS level was a single bowl game, running someone else's offense. Marve, who was a LB coach who contributed to a mediocre run defense at FSU despite having 4 and 5 star talent, and with zero DC experience. He also had the rep of being FSU's worst recruiter. IE he brought NOTHING to VT other than requiring tons of babysitting and on the job training. Both coordinators have required tons of babysitting and taken away from time Pry needed to concentrate on other issues. Hiring his coordinators was the first and most important decisions of his HC career, and he failed this task miserably. IMO he has exhibited poor decision making abilities, and people who exhibit these qualities inevitably continue to make poor decisions throughout their career. I suspect like Fu and to some extent Beamer, he will refuse to replace Bowen and Marve until the day he gets fired. I might believe that things could be getting better except that our recruiting has been horrid. Pry's 1st 2 years so far have averaged a recruiting ranking of 42, which is worse than it was several weeks ago, and worse than Fu's average of 38. Over the past few weeks, there has been a litany of posts screaming how Fu left the program without talent. How do you plan to rectify the talent situation when the new coach is recruiting worse than the last one? As the season goes on and losses mount, watch for a few decommits and even worse ranking. I thought at the beginning of this season he would be gone in 4 or 5 years. I give him no more than 3-4 years now. He might even go down in a Willie Taggart like fashion, after 2 years.