GCHokie34
Can you explain further your comment about Wessler being 3 years away?
[Post edited by Tech10 at 05/02/2022 10:15PM]
[Post edited by Tech10 at 05/02/2022 10:15PM]
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4y
Lynn Kidd is miles better offensively, higher ranked, more mobile and only slightly shorter...and he is entering his third year without seeing the floor
Expecting Patrick Wessler to contribute over the next 2 years just isnt reality. People fall in love with the 7 next to his name and think it makes a huge difference. He is a long way away...
Expecting Patrick Wessler to contribute over the next 2 years just isnt reality. People fall in love with the 7 next to his name and think it makes a huge difference. He is a long way away...
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4y
You can’t teach 7’, but you won’t come away from his highlights thinking we got the next Patrick Ewing. I wonder if CMY provided the scholarship because of the need to get a true 5 and he was the best option. It would be great if his development comes along a little faster and he gives VT quality minutes in the next season or two.
As the transfer article states, we really need some height in the portal. With the availability of playing time, I’m a bit surprised we haven’t been more successful in grabbing an available 4 or 5.
As the transfer article states, we really need some height in the portal. With the availability of playing time, I’m a bit surprised we haven’t been more successful in grabbing an available 4 or 5.
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4y
We have a good situation for them. Once the Gonzagas and Dukes and UNCs etcs. have stocked their cupboards hopefully there will still be some pickings left for us. (Or the Miami etc. booster’s run out of money and cars, lol.)
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4y
I haven’t seen one iota of offensive capability out of Kidd…outside of a few dunks and garbage follow-up buckets. Wessler will need some time to acclimate…but I would bet on him over putting much more stock into Kidd. I really hope that I am wrong. Gotta keep the faith that CMY can work some coaching magic!
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Honest question about 3 year development players aka Wessler etc.
Given the low odds of any player waiting 3yrs for significant minutes and the crap shoot that is recruiting to begin with, why bother with this level of player? It seems the odds are incredibly low for success.
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4y
If youre honest with them about your plans for them, then you dont need to worry about him seeking elsewhere. If MY told Wessler hed be looking at floor time next season then it was a flat out lie.
The players who have left VT under MY all had a significant role at one point or another...Jalen Cone, John Ojiako, Naheim Alleyne, Tyrece Radford, PJ Horne. Bamisile would have had a significant role had he stayed.
This tells me that MY is straight up with them about what the team will look like in the following year and what their role might be. If Patrick Wessler (or anyone else) is the type of kid to need to transfer after being told the truth then theyre better off elsewhere for all parties involved.
You take someone like Wessler because Wessler developing elsewhere for 2 years and then hitting the portal could potentially put him out of VTs reach. Plus you have 2 years to help him learn the system while developing.
I personally wouldnt have taken him, but I can see why they did.
The players who have left VT under MY all had a significant role at one point or another...Jalen Cone, John Ojiako, Naheim Alleyne, Tyrece Radford, PJ Horne. Bamisile would have had a significant role had he stayed.
This tells me that MY is straight up with them about what the team will look like in the following year and what their role might be. If Patrick Wessler (or anyone else) is the type of kid to need to transfer after being told the truth then theyre better off elsewhere for all parties involved.
You take someone like Wessler because Wessler developing elsewhere for 2 years and then hitting the portal could potentially put him out of VTs reach. Plus you have 2 years to help him learn the system while developing.
I personally wouldnt have taken him, but I can see why they did.
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4y
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jfhokie
4y
Don't know what that says about the talent North Carolina this year what's playing for Jeff McGinnis has its pluses
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4y
believe unless it’s because he’s a 7 footer and did well in HS because he was so much bigger than everyone else.
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4y
I think there was confusion whether he was #1 overall or the #1 center...regardless, I trust my own evaluation
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As a follow up and cavaet unless you know they will play
decent minutes because depth is so bad.
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4y
First of all away from what. TOP 5 center in the league or serviceable contributor. Also, more early PT always helps ( a guy like Kidd) though you'd like not to. Wessler is very productive against nice competition. Your opinion is greatly valued here so we'll see. We were paper thin qhen Young took over and some young guys stepped up better than expected.
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4y
of the portal is going to be a worthwhile exercise going forward. Historically speaking, it makes some sense as some prospects can provide depth and contribute as upperclassmen. Nowadays, it just feels like a practice player scholarship for a year or two that will ultimately transfer...
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Asked the same question above. Feels like a bad bet on average.
Huntor Catoor Class of 2022 would not be the same player that Hunter Catoor Class of 2019 was because the latter would not get to play much for several years and then likely leaves.
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4y
transfer rule seems to make it more likely to build a team if you are recruiting players from the portal that have already used their “free transferâ€. This will make a new problem for lower profile programs in that the previously underrated players they recruited out of HS, who have now shown they can play, will have the bigger profile programs all over them, making it even harder for smaller profile programs to build their programs from under the radar players.
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4y
We have one 5 currently on the roster (Kidd), we're going after a really good 5 (Basile) and we recruited Wessler. So if we get Basile, he plays for a year (maybe 2), Kidd is a backup for a year or two, then a starter OR Kidd leaves for a better opportunity and you have Wessler to backfill. If Kidd leaves, you need to find another five. If Basile leaves, you need to find another five. In three years if Wessler leaves, you need to find another five.
But in any of those scenarios, you're looking for one player, not two.
But in any of those scenarios, you're looking for one player, not two.
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4y
to develop. Wessler could have been a PG for all I knew.
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4y
Who's projection on other Hokie players has been wrong before.
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4y
to contribute. In 2010, grab him! In 2022, it feels like a why bother, he will be at a different school at that point anyways.
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Vippie1
4y
My take is the same. Not quick feet, very limited range. He may make himself into a solid ACC player with work, but it looks like his ceiling to me is relatively low. Love to be wrong.
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4y
If a player can take a whole season or more and condense into two minutes of highlights I bet I could make even a crappy player look good.
We had local high school kid here sign with an ACC school two years ago. His highlight tape made him look like all world. He was sporadic in games. Would throw 5 TD and 3 bad interceptions. Had no ability to read defenses. But an acc school signed him. He has little or no chance of playing there and will likely transfer downstream.
Won’t mention the team because his parents live nearby. But his highlight tape made him look like Dan Marino.
We had local high school kid here sign with an ACC school two years ago. His highlight tape made him look like all world. He was sporadic in games. Would throw 5 TD and 3 bad interceptions. Had no ability to read defenses. But an acc school signed him. He has little or no chance of playing there and will likely transfer downstream.
Won’t mention the team because his parents live nearby. But his highlight tape made him look like Dan Marino.
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4y
Offensively he's versatile enough to contribute. He has a pretty jump hook, good vision, and can shoot from farther than 12 feet.
On defense though he's just bigger than people, athleticism is lacking and footspeed is extremely slow. Not particularly springy and will really struggle in all phases. He's not able to guard on switches but also not fast enough to hedge and recover.
Case in point, teams smoked us on ballscreens all last year taking advantage of Aluma who was our best player.
On defense though he's just bigger than people, athleticism is lacking and footspeed is extremely slow. Not particularly springy and will really struggle in all phases. He's not able to guard on switches but also not fast enough to hedge and recover.
Case in point, teams smoked us on ballscreens all last year taking advantage of Aluma who was our best player.
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Woody
4y
Defense and rebouding out of his area are big issues. Have watched several games and he is really good offensively. .
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4y
His shooting fundamentals are rock solid, which puts him ahead of every other 7 footer VT has ever recruited. He will be money inside 15 ft very soon and will likely develop a 3 point shot. If you can shoot a 10-15 ft jump shot at 7' tall you don't need to be athletic. You don't have to pump fake or drive. In CMY's system he will get 10 open shots a game.
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Vippie1
4y
The tape I saw pretty much didnt show him attempting a shot from more than 8-10 feet.
Of course maybe it was edited to just showcase him around the rim. I withdraw my concern if there is evidence to the contrary :)
Of course maybe it was edited to just showcase him around the rim. I withdraw my concern if there is evidence to the contrary :)
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Woody
4y
You should watch some for yourself
He plays with Collins and Jayden Epps so he Def not the total focus
He plays with Collins and Jayden Epps so he Def not the total focus
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4y
Hoping you are wrong and Wessler is a huge surprise contributor by year two.
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You've always had a good eye for talent so it has pained me to read this
But better to temper my expectations now and then possibly be pleasantly surprised then expecting big things from day 1 and wondering what happened...
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VT66
4y
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4y
2022-2023 - Transfer (Basile) and Kidd with perhaps garbage time from PW
2023-2024 - Transfer and/or Kidd with 6-8 mpg from PW
2024-2025 - PW sharing time with portal transfer and/or future recruit
2025-2026 - PW sharing time with portal transfer and/or future recruit
it doesn't sound as disappointing. This scenario would require that we can bring in a portal 5 (or two) for the next two seasons. Development from Kidd would also be a big help. It also assumes that both Kidd and PW are content developing at VT without getting a ton of run (at least next season) and that is certainly no guarantee when the portal is so readily available.
Good or bad, this is the world we live in right now. Fortunately CMY has been pretty successful at mining the portal so far.
2023-2024 - Transfer and/or Kidd with 6-8 mpg from PW
2024-2025 - PW sharing time with portal transfer and/or future recruit
2025-2026 - PW sharing time with portal transfer and/or future recruit
it doesn't sound as disappointing. This scenario would require that we can bring in a portal 5 (or two) for the next two seasons. Development from Kidd would also be a big help. It also assumes that both Kidd and PW are content developing at VT without getting a ton of run (at least next season) and that is certainly no guarantee when the portal is so readily available.
Good or bad, this is the world we live in right now. Fortunately CMY has been pretty successful at mining the portal so far.
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