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Femoyer Hokie Femoyer Hokie OP
Sep 14, 2023 at 10:11 AM ET
Dartmouth men’s basketball team is seeking to form a union. Here we go.

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GCHokieof91 GCHokieof91
I would love to hear my old
Labor Relations professor, Kent Murrmann, share his thoughts on this matter.
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Vippie1
Imagine the leverage they have
the state of New Hampshire economy could be crushed if some of those family and friends home crowds in Hanover didn't happen.
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Stech
National Labor Relations suing USC & NCAA 4 not classifying em employees 🔗
Trial is supposed to start in November.
mrcaniac mrcaniac
Not a game changer
Northwestern's athletes were given the green light several years ago because the school is private. The problem arises when athletes at public schools will want to, that is where they will run into state laws that forbid public sector unions. So, Miami, Syracuse, BC, ND, Duke, Wake, Northwestern, USCw, Vandy, TCU, Baylor, BYU, and SMU's athletes can unionize at any moment that they want to. ** Edited by mrcaniac at 9/14/2023, 11:06:30 AM
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Stech
Unions are created for better pay & benefits, seems like a game changer
to me. What am I missing?
khakiblue khakiblue
Reagan...
drove a spike through the heart of unions.
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EDGEMAN
Not really.
No impact on the UAW, UMW, Teamsters, etc.
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Big12 guy
There is a marked difference between private sector unions and public
sector unions. Most don't differentiate the two, but it's a real factor if college players think they are going to organize.
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Stech
How effective they are is another conversation, but they’re established to
fight for compensation and benefits for employees. In other words, they are “employees” not “student athletes”. If it happens, it could be the biggest change in college football history.
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83Hokie
And the end of amateur college sports
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Stech
Ended a long time ago, when Coaches started making millions of dollars.
Now they sign over over a hundred million, and don’t even have to win, since the Universities can’t afford to get rid of them Jimbo Fisher, I’m looking at you for one.
WestyHokie WestyHokie
The evolution of unions over the past 70 years?
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Stech
The evolution from student athlete to employee could be the biggest change
in college football history.
mrcaniac mrcaniac
Nothing wrong with unions
I've been on the other side from them where I worked one time. They represented those employees well. As with anything, there will be some changes if the athletes are able to unionize. It won't be separate unions for each sport, there will be one union representing all the athletes. The athletes will want to set a minimum of compensation/benefits, in exchange for that, the athletic departments will want to set maximum compensation/benefits limits. Thus, all NIL money could be subject to being pooled together so that Olivia Dunn will be making a lot less while the 3rd string kicker will be making more money because as part of the CBA, the athletes' NIL could be owned by the schools. Also, the transfer portal could get shut down, and players could actually be traded to other schools. Bama might need a running back that Kansas has, so they trade a couple of linemen or even a basketball player for him. Let's not forget the scholarships, housing, and meals that the athletes receive now. Those will now need to be paid by somebody, and those somebodies will be the athletes themselves. The NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, and other leagues don't pay for food, housing, or education except for when the team travels. Also, who will this union be negotiating with? Individual schools? Individual states? Individual conferences? Or the NCAA? Currently, the pro leagues have a union that negotiates their CBA with their league so that each team is bound by the CBA. If their isn't a CBA with "College Sports, Inc", then it will be a hodgepodge of agreements with unequal terms.
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83Hokie
I can see strikes center on football season
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jesuisvtguy
Nothing wrong with the CONCEPT of unions...
but because it is run by people, just like corporations and government, there are often times many things wrong.
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33laszlo99
You are describing the current arrangement in professional sports. I don't
expect it to be very similar. First of all, the schools will have nothing to say about a players NIL situation. Those are now, and will continue to be, external to the schools. These athletes make agreements with commercial outfits who want their services (name/image/likeness) for promotional purposes. I do agree that all athletes in each school, maybe for the whole conference, will belong to one union. I don't envision the schools disposing of the "student athlete" facade. These will be enrolled students with academic requirements, just as they are today. There won't be any "trading." The Portal will be unavailable for some players whose contract ties them to a local/regional market. But a player who is funded by a big national advertiser might be encouraged to "portal" to a more visible team or market. Scholarships, room and board, insurance and other benefits will be provided by school's who wish to be competitive for recruits. This is a much different setup that the NFL.
mrcaniac mrcaniac
It's all negotiable in a CBA
This isn't a one way street where everything will be a benefit for the athletes, the schools will get some pullbacks. NIL may very well be one of those in that in exchange for a salary, that the school controls the NIL for the athlete. Oh, it will hurt the Arch Mannings and Oliva Dunnes, but the rank and file really aren't getting that much from NIL, and those are the ones that are going to be the shop steward, not the Arch Mannings.
mrcaniac mrcaniac
Many states have laws against public sector unions
Public employees, which public university employees are, are forbidden by state law from having to be members.
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Stech
Virginia is a right to work state, but changing from student athletes to
employees could be the biggest change in college football history.
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MrFantastic!
Most fan bases will dry up .
I know many fed up with what’s in future. That’s why I say it busts. Many have other things to spend on. Not spoiled soon to be 18-22 yr olds.
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JohnsonCItyHokie
Agree. People love their college football, but in the grand scheme the
number of people, as a percentage of the population at large, that spend time and treasure on college football are a significant minority. The more expensive it becomes, the higher he dropout rate will become. The dropout rate will be an exponential curve as the cost rises. College football is on a self defeating path IMO. The golden goose is getting strangled.
mrcaniac mrcaniac
Virginia allows local government unions but not state employee unions
And the locality must approve the union. The public universities in Virginia are state run, thus the employees are not able to unionize/
CrystalCoveHokie CrystalCoveHokie
Isn’t collective bargaining allowed in VA for public sector employees?
mrcaniac mrcaniac
Only for local governments
State employees are still banned. Since the universities are state controlled, no unions at them.