Regarding the UVA and UNC
On two separate interviews, one of which that included Wes Durham here in Raleigh on the ESPN radio affiliate, it was mentioned emphatically that “one of the things that we learned from this process regarding the break up of the ACC and the magnificent seven is that UVA is not going anywhere without Virginia Tech and UNC is not going anywhere without NC State period”. This was mentioned by Wes Durham as a result of conversations he had with his sources at the ACC meeting in Amelia Island. It was further mentioned that political pressure and ties would keep both of the North Carolina and the Virginia schools together. So this notion of UVA going somewhere and leaving Virginia Tech in some diminished state in a compromised ACC simply isn’t happening. The same goes for UNC and NC State, which are part of the UNC system and their chancellors reporting to the UNC system president. Furthermore, I imagine that UVA and UNC will want to maintain their proximity as well.
** Edited by duro at 5/24/2023, 2:55:23 PM
** Edited by duro at 5/24/2023, 2:56:27 PM
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ren_hoek
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16 teams, east/west divisions with no permanent crossover rivals?
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I'd like the ACC to explore taking 6 or 7 Pac schools from 6 different
states. They have the ACC Network. Expanding it into the Western US might bring in enough money to stay competitive until 2036.
UO, UW, Cal, ASU, Utah, CU. Maybe Stanford.
Maybe a Texas school, too. SMU?
Would love the fresh faces in the ACC, too.
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ren_hoek
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If they want to keep the ACC network viable and profitable, then they have to pay the ACC P3 money. Otherwise, their chief competition will take ACC schools and tank the ACC network in the process.
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VTCALS72
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to dictate anything.
One thing we don't know is what other things, beyond football will come into play. We have seen post about how close as far as academics go, VT and UVA are. It was widely reported that once the first attempt at ACC expansion failed, then things such as the VT and ACC team academic and research partnerships.
We have no idea how that may move the presidents in a way that football fans can't fathom.
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jdkhokie
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The drunk UVA aristocrat palling it up with the Old Miss crowd till Popeye comes along.
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That would be a win-win...
for all schools involved and for both states. What other states have universities in both the Big Ten ad SEC? Virginia and North Carolina could be the Power 2 "battleground states".
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3y
The Virginia legislation does almost nothing with regard to financial support for it's state universities. UVA will not walk away from millions of dollars in AAU research money regardless of what the blow hard politicians looking for votes want.
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3y
and athletics has nothing to do with research.
Yes, you will see the AAU quote how many research dollars their members spend...they're not doing that because of AAU, they're AAU because of that. And, again, athletic conference membership has nothing to do with it.
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3y
I’ve had exactly one conversation about the AAU (and that was when I saw an article in the Chronicle of Higher Education about Nebraska getting the boot). And I’ve done work with most of the top research institutions. What does get talked about is how much sponsored research an institution (or individual researcher) does - both in dollars and quantity of awards.
AAU membership is just a old boy network trophy. It’s just something to put in the University fact sheet. No research money is awarded because of the AAU or conference membership of the institution or the individual researcher. No researcher makes any research collaboration decision based on the AAU membership (or conference membership) of the potential collaborator. None.
** Edited by marcbvtgm at 5/25/2023, 12:12:03 PM
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TDVick
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That's my guess. In which case that makes it more likely that we end up in the SEC.
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3y
Including the notion that AAU membership is mandatory for B1G admission/membership.
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3y
athletics and academics are (not) linked.
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Stech
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that, right?
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Mercury
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He can direct them snd frankly replace the president and bov .
You dont want that to happen. Price of being a stste public school
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jdkhokie
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UVA could not join another athletic conference without the blessing of the Virginia Legislature if they were opposed. The University of Virginia is a public institution, and the Virginia Legislature has the authority to regulate its activities. This includes the authority to approve or disapprove of any changes to the university's athletic conference affiliation.
In 2011, the Virginia Legislature passed a law that requires public universities in Virginia to obtain the approval of the legislature before joining a new athletic conference. This law was passed in response to concerns about the potential financial impact of conference realignment on public universities.
If the Virginia Legislature were to oppose UVA's decision to join another athletic conference, the university would be legally prohibited from doing so. The university could appeal the legislature's decision to the courts, but it is unlikely that the courts would overturn the legislature's decision.
In addition to the legal implications, UVA would also face significant political pressure if it were to join another athletic conference without the blessing of the Virginia Legislature. The legislature could withhold funding from the university, and it could also pass legislation that would make it more difficult for the university to operate.
For these reasons, it is highly unlikely that UVA would join another athletic conference without the blessing of the Virginia Legislature.
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Vippie1
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Been saying as often IF the NC and VA schools stick together everything will work out.
If it really gets to the P2 no way DC to Charlotte gets left out. Both conferences will not want to cede to the other.
The idiotic course would be to allow them to divide and conquer as they alone see fit.
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Or Oklahoma and Oklahoma State together. But it didn't.
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Vippie1
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As to UCLA & Cal- they dont have the cultural significance in a very large state like UVa & Vt , or UNC & NCSU in a middle size states. There was no way to quickly circle the wagons politically in such a large diverse state . The majority of the state elected officials in California don't give a rats ass about Cal or UCLA's athletic programs, nor do their constituents, so it was much easier to pull it off for UCLA & USC.
As to OU and OSU. The balance of power wasnt there enough to pull OSU along. OU so dominates. It was more about not letting Texas leave OU behind. And again happened fast, before any real opposition could be mounted.
UVa VT UNC NCSU ( and those that make decisions in both states) observed , learned, and foremost have had sufficient time to plot strategies.
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Agreed. It will be every school for itself.
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EDGEMAN
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If VT gets an invitation, but UVA doesn't, I don't want to leave them hanging in a disintegrating ACC conference. Both UVA and VT need to stick together. Now I have no issues if one goes to the B1X and one to the SEC, but that has to happen at the same time.
Remember if it wasn't for UVA, we wouldn't have received an invitation to the ACC...at least not in the first round of BE departures.
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There's a big Catch 22 here.
Neither can leave on its own. But no P2 conference is gonna take both. So there would need to be coordination (collusion) between the schools, the SEC and the B1G.
In the end, there seems to be a need for collusion. Although everyone acts like it can't exist.
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3y
Their preference would probably be to just take one, but if that's politically impossible then they may be willing to take 2 if it's the right 2 from the right state.
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I'm not ruling it out either, but I think it's not likely.
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Stech
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having another school from their state. These are the last two P-2 expansions, so not only are you right, the last actions prove it.
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True. But USC and UCLA are more valuable than VT and UVa.
USC is the top football brand in the west. UCLA is the biggest basketball brand in the west. Also, California is much larger than Virginia. The big question is, how many others can UNC pull to get into a conference? UNC might be able to get the B1G and the SEC into a bidding war to get them. It would be interesting to see if UNC/NCSt/UVa/VT formed a "Mag 4" and tested the waters to see if either the SEC or B1G would take all four. I think this is possible and not far-fetched. But not likely.
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Planning on breaking the grant of rights by dissolving the ACC and starting over with their own conference.
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Too bad someone didn't have the vision of a true ACC...
loaded with large state universities on the eastern seaboard or least in the eastern time zone. Kind of like the Big Ten of the East. The idea may have worked back in the 50's, 60's or even the 70's. Miami, Florida, FSU, UGA, GA Tech, USC-E, Clemson, UNC, NC State, UVA, VA Tech, Maryland, WVU, Penn State, Rutgers and Syracuse. If the so-called "Magnificent 7" did split they would have to add schools like Florida, UGA and Penn State to add value. No school is foolish enough to leave the SEC or Big Ten to help start a new conference unless they make more money which isn't going to happen.
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The Big East NOT inviting Penn State was the beginning of the end for all
of Eastern football. What could have been.
And yes. My big problem with modern conference expansion is that it's never big enough. It involves only several schools at a time, and everyone left out suffers. It's not right.
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