Or something like that.

** Edited by HokieDan95 at 5/17/2024, 2:16:17 PM

apparently followed by an overreacting, overzealous and reportedly foul-mouthed officer, who could have resolved the situation on site but decided he was too butt hurt to do so.

circumstances? When Scheffler is in a marked PGA car and PGA players have been told they can enter? C'mon man. If the police get a bit of a pass under those circumstances, so should Scheffler. He should have been detained on site for a minute and then released. Not booked and charged.

he has to adjust his practice routine or even misses his tee time - boo hoo - someone died at this scene. If he had been disqualified for missing a tee time due situations/miscommunications around a fatal traffic accident scene - that's on the PGA for not making an exception - not the cop doing his job. How did they tell all players they could enter around a traffic scene that involved a fatality? There was obviously a miscommunication. Might it have been an over zealous cop? sure. Might it have been a sports figure who is used to being treated as a star thinking the rules don't apply to him? sure. If you are on that type of scene and don't obey any cops direction it will likely be a bad day for you.

in the dark, in the rain, wearing raincoats covering their uniforms.

where all people involved were actually doing their jobs AND got a little carried away. SS drove up to the scene, needs to get around, has a little presumptuous attitude that he is special - not overtly, just a little so he pushes the issue. First cop he encounters has been assigned traffic duty - they realize they should get players around and make a call right there and works with player cars to get them to the course. He tells SS to go on ahead. Second cop was on scene early and assigned essentially to prevent anyone from entering the scene - regardless who - until told otherwise - wasn't part of the player work around and he hasn't been informed yet. Keystone cops? meh. Just timing. All three doing exactly as assigned/told - all three with a little overzealousness in their position - it happens. Should that have been resolved before he was booked with a mug shot? sure, probably. But not following a LEO's direction - regardless of what a previous LEO told you - usually doesn't end well. Doesn't have to be "an idiot cop" OR a "pretentious player"

to go around traffic. This is their show. This isn't like a situation where he plays the "do you know who I am" card at an event unrelated to his profession. Remember Rory getting the police escort to the Ryder Cup when he was late?

to cling to the car or try to reach into the vehicle as soon as the window was rolled down. A misunderstanding? Sure. But it sounds like only one party got angry and flew off the handle and he deserves criticism for that.

Hopefully, the charges get dropped & everyone walks away w/ a better appreciation that the other person was put in & without any hard feelings. It does sound like the cop was overzealous but for all he knew, Scottie could’ve been some lunatic fan or even terrorist.

that if this had been on a random street somewhere with a random Black person instead of at a fancy golf course with a famous white person then it probably would have ended much, much worse.

Willing to shut up & comply.

And of course there's no body cam footage. Both of those are common in many high profile incidents. The problem with saying things like "just do what they say and you'll be fine" is that it implies that anyone who ends up on the end of bad policing did something wrong and that the police are infallible. Both are false. I get that police have an extremely difficult and dangerous job. They are also granted an extreme amount of power and authority. There are a lot of great cops out there. I personally know several of them. But that doesn't mean you can't call out when they make mistakes and in this case it definitely seems like the officer was overzealous at best overzealous.

Complied so the potentially bad situation was resolved peacefully & nobody was hurt. Funny, how that works. If you don’t think George Floyd, Eric Garner or Michael Brown did anything wrong, I hope you never have any kind of run in with a cop. There is plenty of video evidence showing otherwise. Did you ever watch “ thefallofminneapolis.com”?

** Edited by Hoakie82 at 5/19/2024, 9:52:21 PM

me to watch some obviously biased conspiracy theory "documentary". That doesn't exactly help your point. The fact that people can watch a police officer on video kill an unarmed man and STILL try to argue that he shouldn't be held accountable says it all. Funny how "video evidence" matters... until it doesn't. You've supposedly got "plenty" showing what these Black men did "wrong" enough to deserve death but when confronted with clear evidence of police brutality you somehow need a "documentary" to tell you what to believe. If you don't think there is any difference in how law enforcement/legal system treats Black people (and poor people) in this country despite plenty of compelling evidence (statistical, video, anecdotal, you name it) then you simply aren't paying attention. Again, it is ok to hold police officers responsible for mistakes or abuses of power. And if the officer had escalated further and pulled a gun and/or shot someone you would still be here carrying water and saying "Well he should have followed directions". BTW it's not accurate to say "nobody was hurt" as the officer apparently tore his $80 pants and had to be treated for cuts and scrapes after clinging to the vehicle like he was in some action movie or something and not directing traffic outside of a fancy golf course with cars going like 10 mph.

don't see anywhere that I did that. And I thought I made it pretty clear... no I did not watch the "documentary" (notice the quotes) nor do I intend to. I think we’re getting off track though as nothing in my point was specifically about George Floyd or any one individual. It was a larger view of role race plays in law enforcement and the justice system. And the fact that officers should be held responsible for egregious mistakes or misconduct. ** Edited by AbsolutVT03 at 5/19/2024, 11:09:33 PM

Write a book to you when you already have your ignorant opinion's formed & won’t listen to anyone else’s perspective. Yes, if you refuse to watch a documentary, that makes you ignorant of that documentary. That’s not debatable! You’ve chosen to remain ignorant. Btw- if you do choose to go watch it, no where have I said the documentary absolves the cops of all wrong, given our current laws but it does shed a lot more light on the story that many haven’t seen including the jury that found them guilty. Go back & read the post that I replied to about not putting words in my mouth. I never tried to argue cops shouldn’t be held accountable & then you go on to say that I think black men did “wrong” enough to deserve death. Where did I ever say that? Then you go on to presume to know what I would say, had the cop pulled a gun out & shot someone, I would still be here be carrying water & saying “well he should’ve followed directions”. That is putting words in my mouth before I even said anything. Those quotes “” were pulled from your post. I thought it was funny how you included a couple of times how you know some “cops” or are friends with some cops. Like that gives your opinion some added perspective or value. Would you think my opinion was more valuable if I said I know or have some “blacks” friends? Anyways, we both know it’s pointless to continue this thread. We don’t have to agree but for your sake I hope if you ever have a run in with the Blue that you keep a cool temperament, STFU & comply. If you have a beef about anything, you’ll get your chance to tell your story to the judge & things will probably go better for your case, if you remained respectful & complied. ** Edited by Hoakie82 at 5/20/2024, 1:58:09 PM

"documentary". Of course being "ignorant" of a "documentary" in no way makes me ignorant of the situation. I'm plenty well informed on that and don't need to hide behind some biased propaganda to feel confident of that. I'm sure reading some KKK literature would give me "someone else's perspective" but that doesn't make it worth my time or me any less knowledgeable for not having read it. But again my point was not specific to any one case no matter how much you've tried to steer the discussion in that direction. And of course keep in mind it was YOU who felt the need to bring race into this to begin with. There's ignorance here but it's not on my end. You saw this topic and the very first thing you felt compelled to add was about racism. That's pretty telling if you ask me. Out of all the things you listed as putting words in your mouth, only one could be construed as that and that's me positing what you would have said if the cop had pulled a gun. Given your little rant at the end of your post about "the Blue" (again telling how you capitalize that but not Black) and "STFU and comply" I feel even more confident in my assertion. It and everything else you claim I "presume to know" is derived straight from the comments you've made in this thread. In the future if you're going to whine about having words put in your mouth maybe don't turn around and completely validate them in the same post. While we're talking about what you have and haven't said, you haven't once bothered to address any points I made regarding the overall inequity of policing and our justice system in this country. Instead you want to try to argue about George Floyd and some random "documentary". You drone on and on about what you "didn't say" but did you make any attempt to clarify what you do think? Did you say anything about police officers being held accountable? Did you call out that despite the three people you listed doing "something" wrong they still did not deserve to die? No is the answer to all those. Instead you routinely talk about "shutting up" and "complying" and then point to an inaccuracy laden documentary as some sort of evidence. Although here again you don't bother to say what it's supposed to prove... just what you "aren't saying" by invoking it repeatedly. Given all that... what exactly is someone reading your comments supposed to think? You've gone out of your way to not criticize law enforcement while making sure to speak to the mistakes of Black men who were killed by them. All I can go by are your words here and what you've said (and haven't said) is pretty damn clear. And while we're calling out putting words in people's mouths or misquoting I'll note that I only once mentioned 'knowing some cops"... not " a couple of times" as you mistakenly say. It was literally one sentence out of the dozens I've written on this topic and the point wasn't to give my opinion "added value". It was simply to acknowledge the many good cops that are out there and the difficult job they do. It was to clarify my position (something you refused to do as noted above). I've never supported "defunding the police" (although I do think the resources they are given could be allocated better). It is interesting though how here you act like having additional perspective is a bad thing but when it comes to your inane "documentary" the "perspective" is needed to prevent "ignorance"... funny how that works? Almost like you only consider "perspectives" that you agree with to be valid ones. The "I have Black friends" trope is usually trotted and mocked after someone says or does something overtly offensive so it's not really applicable here as I haven't said or done anything of that nature and in fact have made sure to note that my comments are about bad police officers being held accountable and the overall inequity in our justice system. You know... my two main points that you've repeatedly avoided speaking to.

Ignorant. 😵‍💫

don’t read it then you are choosing to remain ignorant!!!

documentary since the articles I linked both described the contents of the documentary and debunked many of its main points. If there's a specific point that you believe is relevant and/or omitted then just say so and I will research it on my own instead of relying on an obviously faulty and biased production.

you linked at all. That still makes me more sympathetic about the job cops have to do. I’ve never said the cops shouldn’t be punished per the current laws. Mainly, your article talks about (w/o going into detail) the type of hold used & why the judge didn’t allow their defensive team to use Chauvin’s training manual in the trial. There’s no point in beating a dead horse but I think you can’t justifiably claim everything is false in TFOM if you won’t even watch it.

Also I'll point out the irony of you trying to berate me for "being ignorant" by not considering "different views" and then turning around and doing just that yourself.

prevent that- it is a misunderstanding for sure- but on SS - not on the COP- if your traffic cop has a gun, nightstick and a tazer adn there are 40 of them- it's not a normal traffic situation

was wearing a yellow rain jacket. And apparently the players had been told to go around. These charges will be dropped or, at most, he will plead to a misdemeanor like failure to obey a traffic signal and pay a small fine. Count on it.

I will be surprised if anything sticks to him. We're not talking about a habitual offender here.

I assume Scottie thought there was a small issue causing some traffic, and with a courtesy car, cops usually let us go thru ahead so we’re not caught up behind unnecessarily. Scottie was probably just thinking I need to get to the course to start my routine on time. Obviously with the circumstances, the cop was on edge and not letting anything go.

If he's in a marked car and was told they could go...

Cause at least there's a conversation then. He made a choice

around the traffic, further back on the road. Because he knew who he was and told him how to get to the gate. Come up to other cop wearing a rain jacket with no identification in dark and rainy conditions trying to stop him thinking he's a normal person in traffic...Scottie thinks he's a volunteer that doesn't realize another officer told him to do this. Officer pitches a hissy fit and holds on to the car.

he didn't lead the police on a mile long chase. It sure sounds like he tried to move his vehicle out of the way before stopping. I mean come on, the officer didn't even attempt to find out his name before arresting him. The PO was yelling and cursing at him while Scottie didn't raise his voice at all and apologized for not recognizing him as a police officer. I 100% understand LEO's have a hard job. He didn't do his job very well this morning. ** Edited by hoosnowahokie at 5/17/2024, 9:14:12 AM

just dragged him out of the car and cuffed him. The cop was at the entrance to the course, knowing people needed to get in for the tournament. It's relevant to find out who it is you are grabbing.

those circumstances. Keystone cops.

And there's a little more there than what's printed above.