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CrystalCoveHokie CrystalCoveHokie OP
Jan 23, 2023 at 05:44 PM ET
Time has come to eliminate university connections with social fraternities
The BGSU hazing settlement ($2.9M) is a huge red flag for insurers. It’s time. They should all be relegated to “off-campus”. I was in a frat at VT. I was also hazed. I didn't find it too bad. Then there was AGR that had Guzzle Cup. Everyone puking. Guys and girls being carried away. Lol….. How the heck did I survive….If I’m GC, I’m talking to my insurance brokers and writing a report to the president.

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J-Dub
Gymnastics Club & University Guide Service at UVA guilty of hazing (link)
University Guide Service hazes? That wouldn't make for a very good movie.
bigbadbird bigbadbird
do the guided tours use paper maps ?
bigbadbird bigbadbird
i don't think you can get rid of group stupidity -frats are like GPS for it
the generations before us were a lot smarter in some regards- yellow cabs with licensed drivers- no cars at college first year so your kid can't come home every weekend - we have phones where we can google directions on how to drive 3 miles- i bet less than 10% of college students can read a paper map- - or know what they are let them have frats and get them away from the people we need to be doctors or engineers ** Edited by bigbadbird at 1/24/2023, 9:26:14 AM
Tafkam Hokie Tafkam Hokie
I don't think you can call one generation smarter or dumber
Technology has been changing at a pretty rapid clip for over a hundred years now. The fundamental knowledge you need to get by in life changes with every generation. Maybe a modern college kid can't read a paper map...but good luck even finding a paper map you can ask them to read. But on the other hand, I don't think my parents ever figured out how to program a VCR, much less actually do anything with a computer other than browse Facebook. And my grandparents likely couldn't fathom a world where someone grew up not knowing how to grow their own food for the year. Doesn't make one generation is smarter or dumber than another. Just means technology changes quickly and the skills you need to survive change.
bigbadbird bigbadbird
don't the rest stop/welcome centers still have paper maps on the counters ?
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BRVT
wow some triggered people in here today
bigbadbird bigbadbird
did you learn a new word?
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BRVT
the defensiveness in your post explains it all
do you need a shoulder to cry on?
bigbadbird bigbadbird
defensiveness? i said let them party - who cares
i said the prior generations were correct to allow them- i also said they prob can't read maps- does that offend you?
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BRVT
you insinuated they couldnt be doctors or engineers which is just asinine
makes you look jealous that people can have fun and still go on to be successful
bigbadbird bigbadbird
oh i see- i triggered you- i get it now
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BRVT
just pointing out how stupid that statement is
bigbadbird bigbadbird
i didn't say they couldn't - i insinuated it's more likely the lesser
students are in the frats - business majors - such as myself- let them have their own space- who cares
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RJHokie
Great comment wrt paper maps.
I’ve known a few adults, some now in their 70’s that never could read a paper map. I used to carry one (Virginia) in my car all the time. If I drove out of state I would get a map of the states I was driving to/through. A friend of mine use to get an updated US Atlas map each year and leave it in his travel vehicle…..and he probably still does.
bigbadbird bigbadbird
you can also get thoughts of what else is around you with the old maps
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RJHokie
Definitely so.
Plus get a better feel for what’s around your planned itinerary and destination. At times I’ve had GPS systems try to take me down half-assed back roads where driving conditions were somewhat hazardous or unsafe.
bigbadbird bigbadbird
GPS does traffic flow directions- they are helpful- but i have ended up
on dirt roads.... a few times
MEHOKIE MEHOKIE
Seems to punish all
Perhaps they should use the fund to buy 10 billion marbles please.
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VTDante
What do you mean by off campus? Unaffiliated with the University?
That opens up even more risk for student safety with less supervision by the University. Local towns and cities will hold the university responsible for any student involved incident. Schools must provide Greek Life personnel. The University will also receive major PR backlash if an incident occurs and they aren’t involved. The national organizations along with local alumni volunteers don’t have the resources to monitor all chapters nationwide. You can argue most universities are feeling the same resource limitations, too
Major Kong Major Kong
I was GDI...however my wife was a KD lady.
chumley chumley
…the issue here is not whether we broke a few rules
or took a few liberties with our female party guests
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BobG
…we did.
PhotoHokieNC PhotoHokieNC
I never understood but was also never interested in frats. Herd mentality
is silly and personally debilitating. ** Edited by PhotoHokieNC at 1/23/2023, 7:06:56 PM
bigbadbird bigbadbird
i lost interest when i found out there were dues- i worked
i would have risked all financial help by telling my parents i paid money to join a frat- well if you can afford that then ......
TomTurkey TomTurkey
No interest at all. Funny story of rush team on dorm floor. Won't bore all.
MrBayAreaHokie MrBayAreaHokie
lots of punani from being in a fraternity
Girl has a class with you and digs you but you are too dumb to pick up on it She knows what fraternity you are in and gets her courage up after getting a little drunk Shows up at your house at one of your big parties …you chat her up and realize she is good to go Seize the day
OXVT OXVT
So you were uncool and unwanted by fun people
PhotoHokieNC PhotoHokieNC
No, I had my own brain and didn’t have to kiss ass every day.
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mancunian
At least you’re not dwelling on it.
OXVT OXVT
Yeah that's not what it was about, lol
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BRVT
they didnt have to pay for friends :)
vthokieq vthokieq
What’s it about?
Brown Water Brown Water
They won't understand
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HokieNoVA
I barely noticed them when I was at VT. If it weren't for a few parties
freshman year and homecoming events at football games I would've had no exposure to them at all. I don't even recall meeting anyone who belonged to a fraternity/sorority.
scoop76cs scoop76cs
Broke my ankle after participating in Guzzle Cup.
WestyHokie WestyHokie
Fine by me, greek life was a nonfactor for me, my spouse and our kids
Had a roommate who was a SPE… which I enjoyed calling SPEnises. Went to 2-3 frat parties, didn’t seem like a big deal. Loved “Animal House” though.
Vienna_Hokie Vienna_Hokie
Come on, we all had "rituals" that ended up with pledges lined up puking
yes, the risk is there, and the stories make good news copy. But, if you look at the number of kids that die or are seriously injured from frat hazing compared to all the other stupid crap college kids die from, I bet it's pretty low. Local bars are a bigger risk in most college towns than frat hazing. The difference is, frats are an easy target, entitled college kids behaving badly make a great story, especially for more entitled journalism majors who are living on apple jacks.
CrystalCoveHokie CrystalCoveHokie OP
The issue is whether colleges can get insurance…..Very easy to exclude….
By insurers. It is a completely avoidable risk by the colleges. ** Edited by CrystalCoveHokie at 1/23/2023, 6:49:39 PM
AZHokie59 AZHokie59
I was in the fraternity that started the guzzle cup. Sigma Lambda vs Deeks
AZHokie59 AZHokie59
We won the first. I was a judge😉 and yes it was off campus. Before
The Greek frats were allowed. ** Edited by AZHokie59 at 1/23/2023, 5:59:24 PM