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Flanker OP
Mar 26, 2026 at 05:33 PM ET
VT President Tim Sands turned SIXTY-SEVEN today. He & Whit need to go!
Tim Sands does not care about athletics since he has not removed Whit Babcock. Babcock has to go! There should be age limits for the VT leadership. The students are all young and senior ctiziens cannot relate to the experiences of the students due to the age gap. VT leadership should be forced to retire at age 65. VT is probably going to need a new basketball coach in the next couple of years and Babcok should not be allowed to make that decision. The Tech athletic department also might have to force the head coach to fire an incompetent defensive coordinator as early as next season so a strong President and Athletic Director are needed immediately.

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ftsumterhokie
4mo
67 is the new 30…
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PhilosopHoo
4mo
I resent that! I'll be 80 in a month and my mind works perfectly, and at 67
it worked even better than perfectly. How dare you...I mean... ...What was I saying?...
Hokebury Hokebury
4mo
Yes, but its a very low bar for Hoo's 🤣
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Flanker OP
4mo
My big issue with Sands is that he doesn't care about football.
My position has been that government employees should retire at age 76 to allow for new ideas/practices and to ensure that the employees are performing at peak performance. I believe most people start to decline in their seventies and it's hard to remove government employees. Some people are superagers whose brains are still functioning. Sands said in an interview that football won't be around in a few years and he cares more about olympic sports. Babcock needs to be replaced and I don't think Sands really cares. The university boards are strange since members are appointed by the governors to four year terms and they often do not have any association with the university. University Presidents should probably have term limits anyway since the part-time board probably won't have the courage to fire them unless they caught committing a serious crime.
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HokiesACC2004
4mo
ok
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TOUGH TURKEY
4mo
6 -7 you say?
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Flanker OP
4mo
Funny! I forgot about that 6-7 fad or whatever that was. I'm Gen X.
I remember reading about 6-7 after it became a thing. The article below explains it a bit for the other old farts like me.
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fordham
4mo
You should probably have just had another drink instead of posting idiocy
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Flanker OP
4mo
You need to lay off the coffee AND the Kool-Aid!
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solareye
4mo
Not the only job that needs age limits.
capitals1 capitals1
4mo
Listening to Franklin, he may not have taken the job without Babcock
BG Hokie BG Hokie
4mo
I have a perception that Franklin has helped prolong Babcock's VT tenure.
Babcock is busy bending over backwards to satisfy Franklin's wants and needs and, maybe even, demands on some level. Alot of other things are still bad in VT athletics, most importantly, fundraising infrastructure but Babcock is hitched to the success of Franklin. Football success will make most of us forget about all of the other little warts that have progressively started to show around athletics. It's Babcock's ticket to sticking around and retiring in his own timeline and terms. ** Edited by BG Hokie at 3/27/2026, 1:18:35 PM
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1947Sunbowl
4mo
Excuse me thats a bov decision
His contract ends next year. Bov has the pulse on this
Tuckahokie Tuckahokie
4mo
Actually Whit has done a fairly solid job hiring Basketball coaches IMHO
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eokhokie
4mo
Let me see
Competitive in men's and women's basketball, softball, wrestling, track. The only thing that has me concerned is men's and women's golf.
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CMU Hokie
4mo
Whit’s biggest mistake and toughest situation
Was clearing out the legacy Beamer crowd. It’s tough when CFB walks around the building regularly, but Whit made some mistakes by not confronting the obvious.
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marcbvtgm
4mo
Even with the new $$, athletics is <8% of VT's budget. Just sayin'...
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Flanker OP
4mo
I would argue that the Flutie Effect does not appear on the annual F/S.
That's a good point that Tech is a research university so the research and other revenue streams are more significant. The Flutie Effect is the documented trend of athletic success bolstering admission to universities and that would increase student admission fees. I contend that the Flutie Effect would also encourage alumni to make larger donations and could potentially encourage more investment in the local economy. The VA Governor wanted to make sure that Tech was included in the ACC in order to protect the Southwest Virginia economy. I linked an article below about the Flutie Effect.
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lazarus1
4mo
agree with much of what you have to say but NOT
regarding the "incompetent defensive coordinator". If you look at Pry's tenure at Vandy and then Penn State his defenses were high regarded and he produced a number of high NFL draft prospects; and, when you examine the scores of the Penn State v. Ohio State and Penn State v. Michigan games when he was at Penn State you see that the Penn State defenses by and large performed well; it was the offense (or lack thereof) that caused many of those losses. Pry's mistake regarding the VT defenses, among other things, was allowing Marve and his successor to run the defense. Pry, if he was capable of it, should have actually coached the defense himself. Venables at Oklahoma fired his def coordinator and started coaching the defense himself beginning the season before last and the Sooners' defense improved dramatically as Venables is a defensive guy. Pry should have tried doing the same; but as solely a DC he has proven to be successful over an extended period of time. ** Edited by lazarus1 at 3/26/2026, 5:45:52 PM
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marcbvtgm
4mo
Incompetant? No. But PSU's D's were as good or better after he left.
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lazarus1
4mo
agree on all but Franklin's last year
which wasn't so great; but that just shows that Franklin hired a good replacement for Pry (Diaz). I'm not saying Pry was the only good DC.
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Flanker OP
4mo
We'll see.
Pry was not the coordinator at Vandy and he only took over as DC when Bob Shoop left. Shoop was the coordinator at Vandy. Franklin likes to give guys titles so it's hard to figure out who is calling the plays. Pry did take over playcalling in 2016 and my original post linked below has some analysis of the Pry PSU defenses from 2016 to 2020. While Pry's defenses were above-average, I would argue that they underperformed based on the talent on the teams. A lot of guys make it to the NFL based on their talent rather than coaching. The failure of the Tech defense concenrs me most since Pry hired his buddy instead of hiring somebody who was capable. I would argue that Pry should have been able to fix the Tech defense if he was in fact a competent defensive coordinator.
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lazarus1
4mo
actually he was 'co-D.C.' at Vanderbilt
and while you made a couple of valid points the only way he could have fixed the defense would have been if he took over defensive play calling, which I agree he should have. To make it to the NFL and to be successful requires both talent and coaching, not just one or the other imo
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Flanker OP
4mo
Good catch! He was elevated to co-DC but he wasn't the playcaller.
When he was hired, I thought Pry was a defensive mastermind because Franklin hired him BUT they were buddies in college. Overall, Pry is not a great defensive coordinator and he was only hired because Franklin knows him and he is loyal. A lot of people value loyalty over competence. I contend that making it in the NFL depends more on landing in the right scheme and in the right position that allow the players to thrive. Most NFL careers don't last many seasons. I'm not an NFL expert but I do know that a lot of guys get drafted based on their talent and perceived potential. EDIT: I suspect a lot of guys in the NFL are bigger, stronger, faster partly due to PED's and that is part of what I would cosider talent. ** Edited by Flanker at 3/26/2026, 11:50:02 PM