Franklin can’t win big games at PSU. Would VT be different?
Not from where I sit.
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We can't win enough to get into a 'big game'...
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Of course, neither was recruited by him.
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the point where losing big games matters then it means we will have improved a lot.
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I'll take a guy that has rebuilt 2 P4 programs from the ashes all day every day. Anything after that is a dice roll.
You're looking for a guy that doesn't exist right now, and if he did, he'll be wearing blue/orange or purple/gold.
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Would you take Beamer at his heyday at this point? His record vs top 10 was 8-33. I'd take competing for ACC titles most years and I think Franklin could do that.
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The brand first has to get to average 9-10 games a year, THEN we consider big games. HOWEVER
PSU is experiencing the spoils of going to the playoffs and no where to go.
Before PSU joined the Big 10, they had a wonderful program all together, every win was great, a lose damn but we get better. Joe Pa had it rolling. (lets dont for this discussion talk about the scandal). They got to the Big 10, and while their fan bases travel plans for road games changed alot (from East coast to mid west, they still had the same .
After the problems, and two coaches, Franklin came in and brought them up to the national stage, It was good for a while for the fan base, but 1 game or 2 every year, agh. but Franklin had them on the national stage. (JUST LIKE VT in 2000-2010.
PSU now as a program is a jauganaut as an athletic dept. YOu have a different fan base now, then when Franklin came. Higher expectations, (goes along with the 800 million dollar renovation of the stadium).... IT was perhaps time to go.
No VT needs that rebuild job to be a consistent 10-2 9-3 program. (that is what historically Miami, FSU and Clemson are). as well as national presence. If he can do that, he would have built a foundation that is sustainable.
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I want someone who has proven they can achieve success only a budget. In particular we need someone who can build a player pipeline from scratch.
Pry and Franklin always had the benefit of recruiting based upon the PSU name. Once Pry lost that we all got to see what was really under the hood.
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Franklin's career record against AP-ranked top-10 teams, including his time as a head coach at both Vanderbilt and Penn State, is currently 4-26. That includes a 1-18 record (.053) against top-5 squads, and Franklin is also 17-36 overall (.321) against AP Top 25 ranked teams in general.
When trimming those numbers to his Penn State tenure alone, Franklin's top-5 record is 1-15 (.063), top-10 record is 4-21 (.167) and top-25 record is 16-29 (.364).
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stat is overblown and misleading. If you're playing a true top 5 team then you should lose most of the time. This is especially true if you are not a top 5 team.
There's also the caveat of how you count Top X teams. Is it their ranking at the time of the game? End of the season? Are you using a specific poll or ranking or any of them or all of them? What if you beat a Top 5 team in game one but that team turns out to be vastly overrated? Conversely if you beat a team early that is underrated and they end up in the Top 10 that win doesn't count towards the stat but it probably should.
The point there is you can massage the numbers to make a Top X stat look better or worse than it really is depending on the point you're trying to make.
As far as VT and the new coach, whoever we end up with is going to have some flaws or cons or reasons he could fail here. It's kind of a crap shoot really. Even if we went out and poached a current, successful, proven coach from the SEC or Big 10 there's no guarantee it would work. Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly are two examples of that (Kelly more so right now obviously).
At this point I'm ready to support whoever we hire and let them get to work.
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Agree but at what cost? Mike Elko is making 7mm for 6 years and Brent Key is making 4mm. Those numbers will be going up, but it gave the teams a chance to see if they would pan out before they gave them the big $. There have been allot of recent examples of paying large long term $ to Coaches that have not worked out.
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His compensation, since he’s getting the big bucks from PSU. Putting that increment into the roster should be a big incentive.
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is similar to Frank's best stretch...that doesn't sound bad.
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VT inferiority complex won't allow us to pick Chesney. We will go with the safe "name" choice if it's Franklin, and that will probably be fine.
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Watched some of their game last night. They are pretty relentless and get better as the game goes on. I'm really impressed with them. I'd be absolutely fine with Chesney. I'm actually more concerned with the GM than the head coach.
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