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HokieAl HokieAl OP
Dec 06, 2024 at 06:41 PM ET
Despite this year, I want to give CMY credit for what he tried to build
Granted I don’t have any inside info about who was asked to leave so please do let me know if I’m wrong on anyone. And I’m assuming we still get some of the same transfers. In 2022 after the ACC championship, if we kept people we would have had a core of Pedulla, alleyne, Cattoor, Maddox, Mutts, Basile with Kidd, Poteat, and Rice contributing In 2023 this would have been the rebuild year. if we had kept people we would have had a core of Pedulla, Cattoor, Rice, Kidd, Beran with Poteat, Nickel, and Collins contributing In 2024 we would have been primed with a senior Pedulla, junior Rice, senior Kidd, Burnham and contributions from Poteat, Nickel, Collins, Rechsteiner, and Young (I assume no Schutt if we still had Nickel). This lineup should have been able to be a 20+ win team. So I see his vision and attempt to build it. And it was a solid vision with some really good guards leading the way. But NIL and transfer portal has completely destroyed the ability for CMY to build a team the way he wants.

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GoldCoast
Appreciate the sentiment, but we are now one of the worst...
...teams in D1, and haven't showed much upside since the losing streak started. I don't get the "he tried", let's all be cool with where we are b/c hey, people left and NIL. To offer a counter he's failed to capitalize on the great historic turnaround in 2022: - 2023 was an NCAA team in MYs words. He got the pieces he wanted, but the team still fell apart after Cattoor's injury and were never consistent enough on the defensive end to get that bid. - 2024 his moves in the portal didn't pay off, but we again looked to be an NCAA team (although weaker than 2023) but couldn't play consistent enough defensively (again). If he's such a great coach, I don't follow why he couldn't sort things out defensively for a 2nd year in a row. - Then we have this year, flipped the whole roster. While I get the NIL excuse, he brought in the pieces and we aren't just down, we are border line an embarrassment when you compare what the last decade has looked like. On the positive, our last two classes on paper look really promising, just missed out on two prospects that would have made this year's class one of VT's best since SGs last. To me MY needs some serious help to adopt to the new world. Hopefully he's asking for it behind the scenes. Publicly, he just seems frustrated with no answers, trying to replicate what's worked in the past. I get he's a great man, but VT is supposed to be big time D1 program and he's paid $3M to figure things out. Instead, we're not even competitive against our peers and buy-games are a toss-up.
HokieAl HokieAl OP
Nobody is cool with where we are. Let’s be clear that we all hate losing
My post is merely acknowledging that I can look past the current train wreck to see what CMY tried to build. It was a solid vision that played to his experience and strengths as a coach. But it didn’t work out. And this year is easy to understand why. BRoc should only be playing 10-15 min a game as he continues to learn behind Pedulla. Hammond should be learning from the bench as a redshirt or maybe get 2-5 min a game for some experience. But those guys are now forced to play a ton and they are in a critical position and part of the frustration for this year because they are learning on the job (through no fault of their own).
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N2VT2
Don't forget David N'Guessan - 14 ppg, 7 reb, 2 ass. at K-State
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CunningFam
Don’t forget Buchanan
Who redshirted for us two years ago. Sophomore at 7-2 GW now leading theat team in points (16.8) and rebounding (8.4) while 2nd on the team in assists (a Mutts-like 2.9 per game) and chipping in 1.6 steals per game. There’s your starting 4.
Gobbler Guru Gobbler Guru
NIL is not an excuse for the depths this program has sunk to.
The lack of NIL funds is a valid reason why VT can't currently compete with a lot of P5 schools. But take a look at the current KenPom rankings. VT is #153 in the country. If you excluded all teams above them that are members of the ACC, SEC, B10, B12, and BE... the power leagues in basketball... VT would still be #75. Here's a partial list of some the programs above VT: GW UMass-Lowell North Texas ECU Lipscomb Montana State High Point UC Irvine UNC Wilmington Louisiana Tech Middle Tennessee Sam Houston State Purdue- Fort Wayne Wright State Oakland Kent State Akron Norfolk State Belmont Troy Texas State Arkansas State Furman Wofford (!) Samford McNeese State St. Thomas Santa Clara I don't care what your NIL budget is relative to UNC, or Duke, or Alabama, or even VCU. If you are a school the size of VT, a member of a P5 basketball league, with all the resources and exposure that membership provides, there is no freaking excuse for fielding a basketball program that is worse than that motley list of teams. VT is underachieving vs its peers in terms of financial support for hoops. But it is vastly underachieving its position in the overall pecking order of college basketball programs. And that is not purely money driven.
catdaddy catdaddy
True Dat!
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RiverVT
Disagree MY had his chance
To get his NIL program going after the ACC tournament. He chose to sit on his butt vs build a support apparatus like know other . He had the mic and swallowed it . He is a very hard head coach that refuses to change with changing times . That's on MY not NIL not Portal . You have to continue to tweet the product in order to grow. He did not!!
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Vippie1
Nah, no one could make this mess have worked out
perfect storm of serious headwinds and bad luck. I'm not saying CMY is the best guy to front the program going forward, but you can only control what you can control. As to he didnt do enough to "fund raise" off of the ACC tourny win- I can't say. But you can't get blood out of a rock- VT has never been an easy place to find big donors with wallets open in search o vanity projects.
GCHokieof91 GCHokieof91
I would bet money your post is out of whack.
I have 2 good friends who went to college with CMY and are friends of his. They think the world of him. There is a contingent of Wasp alumni that have followed him around wherever he has coached and go to his games giving support. That’s all the endorsement I need. I frankly feel sorry for the man. I’d bet that he doesn’t get the admin. support that most ACC coaches get. If he leaves or is run off there is no way IMO VT will be able to get a difference making coach.
HeisenBurg13 HeisenBurg13
Easy to sit behind a keyboard and fire shots. Sounds to me like you
haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about.
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Woody
River VT
How dare you sit behind a keyboard on a sports message board and share your opinion... the unmitigated gall ;-)
HeisenBurg13 HeisenBurg13
There's a a big difference between "sharing an opinion" and lobbing digital
napalm.
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HokiesACC2004
It's not all on Mike Young's shoulders
You don't know much about the man if you believe what you posted
Chris Coleman Chris Coleman
Nah, that's not what happened. Your information is wrong.
Back then Commonwealth NIL was focused on basketball. I once went to a Commonwealth event where I saw a donor who has architecture named after him sitting with Pedulla, Cattor, Maddox, etc. It was right the spring of 2022, a month after we won the ACC. We got Mutts to come back. We signed Basile on a decent deal (for the time). Commonwealth was doing a nice job for hoops. But then the athletic department put its weight behind Triumph, which absorbed Commonwealth, and I don't think there has been very much focus on basketball-specific stuff ever since. I'm not saying MY couldn't do a better job. But our basketball program needs a lot more than just MY right now. ** Edited by Chris Coleman at 12/7/2024, 12:02:21 AM ** Edited by Chris Coleman at 12/7/2024, 12:09:37 AM ** Edited by Chris Coleman at 12/7/2024, 12:09:53 AM
HokieDelNorte HokieDelNorte
And tweeting isn’t going to solve it.
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ancient alien 2018
NIL started 6/21. Wanna guess how much NIL cash VT athletics as a whole had
available on years one and two? Basketball had almost nothing. Your narrative is absolutely foolish! He's still dead last in NIL cash in the conference, and if you believe NIL and Portal are separate entities, you have no clue how the system works. The majority of P4 basketball HC's simply let their AD know how much cash they need to bring in competent players. CMY has WB as his sounding board. You blame CMY? He also managed to being in a competent PG and lost him before the season even began.
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N2VT2
He lost the guard because he didn't vet him properly. Miller is a cheat
GUS GUS
Is NIL the only reason everyone left? I find it odd we have not been able
To keep a top recruit with Rice not even playing anywhere for a year he wanted out so bad. This is what I want addressed by the AD, not a bunch of “we have great people working hard in the building”
Cosmo Cosmo
I’d like to know more than that
Did Pedula, Collins and Nickel (yeah, probably mis-spelled all) Leave because VT wouldn’t pay enough? Reading the RTWN today, it seemed like MJ really wanted To kick our ass. Is it just $ or something else as to why we Didn’t retain these guys? Last year, he was one of ours. I can see myself losing interest over time. Perhaps Tony Bennett had a point. I’ll be there tomorrow @ 2:00. Maybe we’ll shock the world! Cosmo
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ancient alien 2018
Rice was not NIL related. He wanted to tell CMY when he wanted to come back
from his injury, not the other way around. If you want WB to answer a basketball question, ask him why basketball is dead last in the ACC in NIL available funding. Insufficient NIL funding = not landing top talent from the portal!!
NC Hoke NC Hoke
I don’t know anything, but the only thing that makes sense to me about how
Rice left was that he stood to make a whole lot more money if he saved his 2nd year of eligibility to play for UMD instead of VT.
astrohokie astrohokie
💥, hence hoos Tony B. "I'm outta here" 🥴
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ancient alien 2018
SPOT ON POST!!!!!!!!!!!