NSIR: Article on the D1 "Split" negotiations.
I'm seeing the future in this article and I don't like it. 2024-25 looks like it will be the last "normal" year. IMHO, the "powers" are myopic, greedy and are not considering unintended consequences. People vote with their feet, their wallet and their eyeballs - have said "powers" thought about this long-term?
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P5 and G5 schools. The question is whether or not that split will be formalized, and the separation increased. And secondly, how many of the former p5 schools get tossed over to the G5 side. Currently that split is no longer between the p5 and the G5, but the P2 and everyone else. The fact that the Big 12 and the ACC are included in discussions with the SEC and Big ten is only relevant for the present. The P2 need The support and votes of the other two conferences, and the ACC and Big 12 are afraid to not back the P2 in voting for fear of the consequences. But when the P2 no longer need the votes of the ACC and the Big 12, They will be discarded. So don't get excited about the ACC and Big 12 being invited to the meeting with the Big 10 and the SEC. Long-Term that's irrelevant
** Edited by wwhokie1 at 6/24/2024, 1:40:10 PM
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that have been made to date. So in their collective eyes, they believe they are considering the long term implications. what they fail to realize is that the average college alumnus has a limit. We are expected to donate to the athletic department to help with facilities, coaches, buy-outs, etc. now we're expected to up the ante to pay for NIL salaries. Now we're going to exploit 70% of D1 athletic schools and continue to watch the Big 2+ like we're all supposed fans of Georgia, Ohio St, etc? That just ain't going to happen.
The more you marginalized people, the more people are driven off. It's a simple concept that the commissioners are completely ignoring. I used to love college football. I'd watch games all day on saturday and whatever came in between because college football was about college players and I felt vested. I went to college, I knew players at VT and hung out with several of them. I could related to them to some degree. Now, they're all semi-pro professional players and completely unrelateable to myself and the average person. So what's left? My school. Once my school is marginalized, I'm completely out of interest. I can watch the NFL just fine on multiple days, root for my team, and completely lose interest in CFB.
I can count on 1 hand how many college football games I watched last year that didn't include VT.
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HouClone
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They don't want consolidation. TV media is the one driving this. Pathetic that there was no NCAA leadership to organize conference commissioners and presidents years ago to see what was going on and push back against tv media for the benefit of the athletes and fans.
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The UNC deal showed me that the NCAA is powerless plus they are losing every lawsuit regarding NIL, conference realignment, etc. The NFL understands they must have an enforceable framework or else chaos will ensue - i.e. loss of viewership.
IMHO, it will be one of those things where things might have to go totally south for there to be a rebuild. Yeah, right now everyone - who is already rich - is making money and so there is no motivation to address what will be a huge problem in the not so distant future. Our society emulates college athletics so closely, it's scary.
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2hhoop3
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the NCAA is to blame, however, our difference of opinion arises in how the NCAA is defined. You are correct that that the parade of figureheads doubling as "yes men" are essentially powerless and operate only as told. The real NCAA, the member institutions and their leadership, just want to take in the money and have very little interest in anything other than things directly affecting their own schools.
They lose lawsuits because they have continually kicked the cans down the road as opposed to seeking solutions as problems arise and before small problems become big problems. I thought Charlie Baker might be better and, truth be told, almost anybody is better than Mark Emmert, but, the way the House settlement has come about Baker just appears to be another "yes man" in the line. Until there is an executive with real power and a spine things are unlikely to improve and maybe even get worse.
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I've cut down my college 🏈 viewership by about 90%
Not so much that I find players un-relatable. But mostly about how the sport is now run. ESPN went from being something great for the sport, to something I despise. The talking heads, the control over the CFP, the butting into Friday nights when that is a time for the high school game. And now we have the new transfer rules which are terrible, cutthroat realignment schemes that leave as waste proud longstanding school athletic departments. I remember that POS Kevin Warren giving a speech at B1G media days right after they poached USC and basically how it was done for "equity." Then he starts talking about what Arizona State meant to his family, all while relegating them to the BigXII. These pukes do NOT have the best interest of the sport in mind. And I guess I am sick most of all of the suits in boardrooms picking winners and losers rather than things being solved on the field.
Yeah, I used to be a College Game Day at 9 am to Pac-12 After Dark 1:30 am every weekend kinda guy. Now, I am Hokies only, and perhaps a side team or two that I like to follow outside of the P2. And when it comes to Alabama vs. Texas, or USC vs. Ohio State in a conference game? Nah, you can count me out for now.
BTW, I watch even less NFL. Next to zero.
** Edited by Maroon Baboon at 6/25/2024, 4:35:38 PM
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Stech
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headed to a Power 1 as I write this, somebody speed up the time capsule please. 🤣
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VTCALS72
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back pay to former athletes when 95% of the claims will be paid to former P5 school athletes? Is that what I read? No way the non P5s agree to that and will most likely sue to reduce their payment to no more than 5%. The bluebloods created this, they should pay it.
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mjfhokie
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It was my understanding this was a mediated settlement with House. Negotiating on behalf of the big schools and assigning 35% of costs to the small schools cannot be legal. This one issue should be more than enough forthe judge to reject the mediated agreement. Seems much more cut and dry than the FSU and Clemson lawsuits that ACC was not representing them well enough. The NCAA was not representing the small schools at all.
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I’m rapidly approaching the revulsion point with all this.
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become household names before being drafted and the NFL is getting a free ride.
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A separate entity in football is inevitable just based on finances as Dellenger points out.
Other articles out there on this topic talk about schools such as Illinois and Indiana being concerned about being left out, even in a P2 world. A school's budget must be able to pay with all the financial changes being implemented.
Praying college hoops stays the way it is some how. Most people seem to feel the same.
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IMO, is the crux of the matter. How does the school's budget pay for the changes? If the House settlement is any indication, the P2/4 are pulling a reverse Robin Hood and stealing from the poor(the other 28) to give to the rich(themselves). I think you, or maybe someone else, accurately characterized it as taxation without representation which can more simply be termed a good old fashioned money grab. That same thing, IMO, will manifest itself among the four and the beginnings of that have already been seen in the most recent CFP revisions.
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I agree. I may be a little more hardcore than your average conference commissioner, but when the P2 pushed the new CFP agreement in their favor with threats floating around about the P2 separating if they don't get what they want, I would have told them to split. Go form your own football season and playoff but do the same for basketball and all other sports.
Got to love these really small schools suing and pushing the envelope refusing to pay what was demanded they pay for the House settlement with zero representation. They literally had no say at all.
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one of Dellenger's more interesting pieces. Phillips and Yormark would be wise to keep their head on a swivel. What the four are currently doing to the 28 just foreshadows what the P2 will do to the remaining two once the smaller fry have been cleared out.
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the B12 and ACC in their discussions. It seems they need the the other schools to be involved, otherwise, they would not be in the discussions.
A break away of the P2, without the B12 and ACC would be my preference.
What made the NFL so great (besides good football), is that when television first came on the scene, it didn't amount to a whole lot of money - and no one could predict how valuable those contracts would become. So they agreed to share the revenue equally. Can you imagine if the Cowboys or Giants could negotiate their media deals separately from Green Bay or Buffalo?
Revenue sharing and anti trust is what makes the NFL a great business model. Add in the tweaks to gain parity, and allow the weak teams to draft first, and you have a winner.
The NCAA tournament distributes (shares) the revenue to the 28 conferences mentioned. It appears that the P2 (ACC & 12?) are uninterested in sharing their revenue, and that would be key to get any anti trust legislation which is the other huge advantage the NFL enjoys with their business model.
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