I am constantly amused by the FSU to the B1G rumors
Seems like every day on Twitter I see some rumor about how Florida State is going to manipulate itself out of the ACC and leap into the loving arms of the Big Ten, which purportedly otherwise has no plan to expand anytime soon unless Notre Dame became available. There are so many things wrong with this idea that it makes all the sparring between the Big 12 and Pac 12-2 folks look sensible.
FSU in the Big Ten is like eating catfish and grits in Chicago. It just doesn't seem logical. Granted, the B1G has thrown geography and adjacent states out the window with the addition of USC and UCLA, but that's for the benefit of gaining a foothold in Los Angeles which, last time I checked, has never been confused with Tallahassee. Geographically, it makes far more sense for the B1G to pick up a couple more Pac 12-2 schools than to dip into Florida, which is already full of B1G alums and transplants from the midwestern tundra. People are already watching BTN in Florida, I would imagine. I would argue that the B1G is better served to grab schools from Virginia and/or North Carolina. And the USC/UCLA strategy would seemingly put Georgia Tech in play ahead of a school in the Florida panhandle.
FSU is a respectable school but it is nothing particularly special where academics are concerned. As I see it, FSU academics fall short of UNC, UVa, VT, NCSU, Duke, GT and Pitt just among those ACC schools that have at least a remote shot at getting into the B1G. To me, FSU academics are clearly superior only to Louisville among ACC schools and about on par with Clemson. I've never met a doctor or engineer or scientist who went to FSU.
FSU would say it has a bigger brand and draws better television audiences than most. That may be true, but is anyone really going to tune in to see FSU play schools from the north with whom it has no relationship? Putting aside games played against Maryland while the Terps were in the ACC, FSU has never played any B1G school more than Nebraska, and those 8 games are all bowl games or games played in Lincoln back when Bobby Bowden went barnstorming to building the FSU program. FSU has played the Buckeyes, Nittany Lions and Wolverines three times apiece, and never in Tallahassee. People tune in to watch compelling matchups. I just don't see how FSU can contribute to compelling matchups when it has no rivalries with existing B1G schools. It's fine to say that FSU-Ohio State would make good television, but Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and USC can only play so many rivalry games and made-for-TV games. I don't see people getting fired up to see FSU-Wisconsin or FSU-Iowa, even if those would be good games.
The Twitter talk is that FSU is angling to get out of the ACC sooner rather than later. How that could happen is beyond my conception. Some say ESPN and Disney would help FSU so as to get a piece of the Big Ten schedule. But that means devaluing their investment in the ACC Network just when it is getting started. Some say the Florida government will facilitate a move. This is the same Florida government that is currently in a huge political fistfight with Disney.
I have nothing against FSU. But the more I read about FSU-to-the-B1G, the more I think FSU folks have an ego like Texas and the clout of A&M (except that since Jimbo left FSU for A&M, it might be exaggerating to equate FSU to A&M).
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FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson, NC State, UNC, VT and UVa should be able to get a per team payout close to the B10/SEC payouts.
Include Pitt, and that looks like a great nine team Eastern all sports conference.
Maybe FSU doesn't need the B10 or the SEC to get more money?
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Guru, I don't know how likely it is that FSU ends up in The B1G, but it ain't impossible. The B1G wants to be in Florida and FSU wants to be in a P2 conference. (FSU + B1G) is not the only formula for satisfying those desires, but it is among the few. I agree that FSU is not the ideal prototype of a B1G member school, but it's not terrible. Hold them up alongside the other good choice, Miami, and who would The B1G choose?
The B1G has been focusing on major metro markets and Miami dwarfs Tallahassee. But Da U is a private school of modest size that currently benefits from the generosity of a single mega-donor. Neither FSU nor Miami is a "ten" for The Big Ten, but The B1G will not just pass on the massive state of Florida for lack of Michigan clone.
Will FSU challenge the GoR? Yes. Recall the news story some while back about a mountain climber whose arm was pinned by a falling rock. He was trapped, immobilized, in a position where searchers would not be able to see him. Rather than slowly die from exposure he used his pocket knife to sever his trapped arm. He survived by using the most extreme tactic imaginable. FSU has concluded that remaining in The ACC would be fatal to their athletics department. They are unfolding the pocket knife.
ESPN will not be involved in the lawsuit. It will be a dispute between FSU and The ACC regarding the GoR. That is why FSU will rely on their State government to take up their legal case.
FSU is not the top priority for The SEC or The B1G. Both would rather fight over UNC and UVa before they turn attention to points south. But FSU will push the issue, maybe as early as 2024.
Just my shaky speculations. I have absolutely no real facts, not even about the mountain climber.
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Florida is already full of Big Ten alumni and other transplants from the upper northwest. The Big Ten football product may not be as interesting as the SEC, but it is a very good product. Plenty of people in Florida are going to watch Big Ten football with or without FSU or Miami involved.
I also believe interest is driven by rivalries. Ohio State and Michigan can't play all the other big brands. Neither can Penn State or USC. So, while FSU-Wisconsin or FSU-Michigan State might be a pretty good game, I don't see it drawing enormous television numbers. Forcing FSU into a rotation with the B1G brands only eliminates opportunities for USC-PSU or UCLA-Michigan, which kind of defeats the purpose of getting into LA.
FSU will never have a true rivalry with any current Big Ten school. Hardly anyone in the prime Big Ten footprint works with or is a neighbor of a Florida State alum. If you are a fan of Iowa or Purdue or even Penn State, it would be fun to see those iconic helmets in your team's stadium the first time or two the Noles come to visit. But you will never, ever think of FSU as a rival and after about three or four visits, you'll start wondering why your team is playing a school from the deep south instead of old rivals like Minnesota or Illinois or even Pitt.
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The BTN in Florida earns about sixteen cents per cable box (est. ~ 3 million cable boxes). If The B1G has a school in the state the rate goes to $1.12. So from < $6 million to maybe > $40 million annually. If the added school can earn its own keep, the $40 million is gravy for the Fox and other schools. Also the Florida ad footprint is more valuable to Fox/CBS/NBC than it is to ESPN because ESPN gets most of its revenue from cable fees, not advertisers. The OTA networks rely on huge national advertising accounts, so markets matter more. We will see in the upcoming FB season if losing the ads from The B1G will cause any pain for ESPN. In their current situation I'd guess "Yup." The ad footprint is what allows Fox to better monetize programs like Northwestern and Rutgers. A school like Georgia Tech cannot add much value to The SEC but it can be well monetized by Fox despite being the shadow of the Bulldogs.
Today, Fox has to buy content from ESPN if they want to reach those Southeastern consumers. If they have their own franchises there it gives them access to those consumers and eliminates the ESPN monopoly. "Plus" for Fox, etc. "Minus" for ESPN.
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In this day and age, there is no rhyme or reason for a significant discrepancy in rates for the Big Ten and SEC based on whether there is a member in the market. Those leagues are setting themselves up as a mini-NFL. Everyone everywhere already watches those leagues. If the value is in the big games between big brands, those games are going to be watched whether you are in the heart of Big Ten country or sitting in Florida, Texas or New Mexico.
So while I understand your reasoning, I wonder how long that rate structure will last, if it even remains now.
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WRT rivalries. We have to look at them in context. And conference
realignment changes the context. When USC-UCLA met at the end of the year, many times there would be Pac-8-10-12 title implications involved as well. This could change now that they are a part of a super-conference. Will the game still be as big? I don't know.
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very little to realignment decision makers. Same with "culture," whatever that means. I have never heard anyone say that they enjoy games against a certain opponent because the "culture" of that school, or its fans, is familiar or relatable. I've never seen the opposite, avoiding a game because "their culture" is just too foreign. If the high officials of the two schools enjoy cultural similarities, that might be all that matters. I know that The SEC talks a good game when it comes to rivalries, but look at the last four added. I'll give you TX/OK. Otherwise what?
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in real estate is location, location, location and in realignment money, money, money. Everything else is a distant fourth.
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the rest is lip service.
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Until they do that, the B10 is probably too big to gain from more teams. No one will bring in enough money.
Ohio State's next move might be to decide that they want Northwestern, Minn or Purdue out, so they can play USC more, or so they can bring in someone better, like Washington, Oregon, UNC, Clemson or FSU.
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are probably correct.
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...enough wins to become bowl eligible.
When you are overrun with tiny private schools with tiny fan bases who don't travel, you lose "major conference" status, thus reduced payouts.
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rather than bringing someone with them, they might demand we kick someone out to make room for them.
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be a part of the equation if they form their own league.
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to you I just repackaged your longer answer a couple of posts above. ;-)
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because all those subscribers watching the B1G network are currently monetized at out of footprint carriage rates while a flag gives them in footprint carriage rates. It's the same reason that Rutgers and Maryland got in the B1G. Delaney knew they were crap as far as on field and court but, that was a whole lot of TVs converted to in footprint versus out of footprint.
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With USC/UCLA to the B1G, their contiguous states requirement...
was thrown out the window, so I could see FSU or GA Tech getting an invite one day even if UNC and UVA aren't invited or turn down the offer. The AAU requirement may prevent FSU from getting in (even though Nebraska lost their AAU status) but the state of Florida is growing rapidly and maybe FSU eventually gets AAU status. Personally, I don't give a rats behind what FSU does. ;)
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...out too. Yes they invited them when they were still members, but knew they were getting kicked out long ahead of time, so...
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The funny thing is, when they added UMCP and Rutgers...
they said that AAU membership was a major factor bringing them in. Even USC and UCLA are long time AAU members. AAU member schools Oregon, Washington, UVA, UNC and GA Tech have been mentioned as potential B1G members. I still think Notre Dame is the only non-AAU school that the B1G would take. There was some talk of then adding Syracuse before they brought in UMCP and Rutgers. Cuse lost their AAU status in 2011 along with Nebraska.
I didn't realize that Iowa State left the AAU last year, only the 5th school to do so.
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...an automatic disqualifier. Unless Nebraska regains their AAU status, they can't "officially" say that's a requirement.
One has to wonder if the B1X were to take the largest research university in a new state, and sponsor them for AAU membership?
One thing is certain, no current ACC school who is an AAU member will sponsor another ACC school seeking membership since that will make them more attractive to the B1X.
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I know the southern 1/2 of Virginia is as southern as Arkansas. I also know how NOVA is in the region of DC. I have gotten dirty looks in DC area grocery stores and places like the Pentagon Mall when I spoke loudly enough with my southern accent more than just a couple of times. I don't think I would have been much worse off hanging around in Boston. Charlottesville is just too far north in Virginia and the draw of all those millions in research grants will just be too strong.
I know much less about UNC. No close relatives living in North Carolina over the last three decades as with Virginia. However those research grants & sports programs the SEC doesn't participate in, may draw UNC into the B1G too. Especially if Duke is included in the package as the B1G might offer. I don't think the SEC would ever offer Duke, just another Vandy in the SEC. I think Georgia Tech would be included in that package to make 4 ACC programs heading off to the B1G. Bad Blood between the SEC & Georgia Tech.
That would leave the SEC taking Virginia Tech, North Carolina State, FSU & Clemson. All are also not AAU. I just see FSU & Clemson being too southern for the B1G. A far flung coast to coast conference with drastic cultural differences. Georgia Tech will have no choice. I think this is the most likely scenario when the ACC does breaks up.
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membership as the number of bathrooms on campus.
It would be like me choosing my next teaching job based on the quality of the football program at the school...makes no sense.
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Past. It was actually more about how many bathrooms were on the campuses at those schools.
Let's get serious. This is All About Money and those school presidents make the decisions on those schools changing conferences more than the AD's. Those Research Grants are BIG MONEY. My understanding is the B1G mutually shares all on the money gotten on those Research Grants among all the B1G member schools. That surely does entice people for teachings jobs. Maybe just not you?
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It is all about money. Athletics money. (edit: forever ago, when there wasn't so much money in this, stuff like AAU may have actually mattered...not that I believe it should have...today, it's all about the benjamins)
The B1G definitely does NOT share research money—that notion is really quite comical—and becoming a part of the B1G does not change the calculus of research funding for a school.
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Listening to those Utah fans debate the advantages of staying in the PAC over moving to the Big-12. Several of those Utah fans specifically stated those Research Grants were mutually divided by the B1G.
I guess it is also laughable for the SEC to take all the bowl money accumulated in a season's bowl games and divide that money equally among the 14 members, therefore giving money to schools that didn't even play a bowl game. Real funny!
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Those Utah fans are as misinformed as you on this. They're not "mutually dividing" research money. This is fact, not opinion. That concept doesn't even really make sense. Grants are given for specific projects that have essentially been "bid" on and the provider of the grant expects/demands it to be spent that way. You don't respond to an RFP with a proposal, win the award, and then give a bunch of the money to the schools you play sports with. Laughable.
Bowl money is a whole different story and something that actually *is* shared. I don't find it laughable at all. It's an attempt to support some level of parity in athletic competition.
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money is an entirely different proposition than distributing conference bowl proceeds and other common revenues to all members. There are opportunities for schools to collaborate on grants, if they possess the expertise, however, NOBODY shares grant revenue just as an allocation because in addition to likely being illegal and against terms of the grant, the expenditure would not stand up under audit. Conference media revenues and bowl proceeds earned as a result of a conference slot per an agreement between the bowl and conference are distributable via whatever method conference members agree to.
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It is a none questionable fact that those AAU schools are lumped together in two athletic Conferences, the B1G & PAC. Why is that so? It appears to make absolutely no difference to the people that have joined this discussion. I just said that it possibly does make a difference in my post about four comments above. I still think I am right. The AAU schools like accumulating together.
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Wanting to seriously debate the prized value of AAU status within that closed group of Universities that attain that status. A ridiculous stance to take.
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I didn't comment on the value of AAU status within the group of AAU universities...no doubt the institutions in that club value it...academically.
It's irrelevant to athletics. Who you play sportsball with has nothing to do with academics and research. I mean, if you happen to have a bunch of AAU schools like B1G and P12, sure tout it...doesn't mean it's actually meaningful.
And it actually started with your supremely ignorant statement about research grant sharing, which you proceeded to ridiculously double down on with "Utah fans," as already pointed out by 2hhoop3.
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it is an odd discussion which you got started with your erroneous assertion of a link to research grants. You then proceeded to double down with your even more erroneous reliance on the clearly uninformed Utah fan assertion that research grants were "mutually divided." You could very well be right that AAU schools like "accumulating together" and as you correctly point out they are lumped together primarily in those two conferences but, that lumping has absolutely zero to do with mutually dividing research grants as has already been explained to you.
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Perhaps they do not mutually divide. However I have heard they mutually divide before. I listen to a multitude of expansion Video coverage. However that surely does not make me an authority on that subject. However do you & Pylons actually know?
I have been on this board off & on for many years. Longer than that 10 years listed in my bio. I know it is full of many ACC homers as an SEC board would be full of SEC homers. I know ACC homers can become very disgruntled listening to the constant YouTube rhetoric about an imminent ACC break-up. I mentioned that exact term (ACC break-up) in that comment above that caused the stink. Supposedly over AAU references. However I think the actual rub was my ACC terminology.
I do not desire seeing the ACC wither away. I do have some sympathy thinking about the old SWC existing no more. I also think it is bad for college football. However I do not mourn the ACC passing. That does make me alien here compared to many here, anyway you cut it. So I will politely bow out.
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teaching and administrative positions. And 4 years as a doctoral student. I know how the research process works and revenue sharing with athletic conference members is basically an impossibility and makes zero sense. Do I know that it doesn't exist? Yeah, I'd say I do (although proving something doesn't exist doesn't really make sense), but if you can come up with some evidence that it does (real evidence, not "I've heard it before," not youtube expansion videos by people likely clueless to how universities actually work...and not a few Utah fans), I'm all ears.
My comments have zero to do with ACC homerism. I'd have to go back and try to find any reference you made to "ACC breakup." If I read it, it clearly made zero impression on me. The rub for me was not ACC terminology; the rub was you and research revenue sharing...and then shifting to some BS about AAU that I didn't say.
And I give zero ****s about you being "an alien." I evaluate what you post, not who you are.
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You first responded to. You started our discussion disputing the connection I made between AAU status & research programs effecting UNC going to the B1G. You then said some nonsense about comparing that to bathrooms. Read the board. YOU STARTED IT! The only mistake I made was responding to your damn nonsense. You have got under my comments with negativity on this site repeatedly. I don't think I ever addressed a post you made.
Now you make a condescending comment boasting a career in academia at the college level. " Zero ****" describes my belief in that.
I know what I heard several times on the internet about those research grants being shared. I believe those men over you. I have nothing else to say to you. You can write what you want. I will not be back reading it.
I do appreciate all those that wished me well on my near miss with that tornado. It all was a humbling experience for me seeing all that nearby damage and I really appreciate the comfort given here. I wish the best for the Hoke Program. I will always root for the Hokies except against the Hogs. I do still have nephews in that area of the country. They love it up there.
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No, you are 100% wrong on pooling research grants and dividing it up like athletic media contract revenue, and so is anyone that suggests that happens in the Big Ten or anywhere else. It doesn't happen in any academic consortia because there are legal restrictions on every single extramural research grant that is obtained by an institution.
The whole notion of this research funding pooling came from Big Ten fanboys reading a conference press release listing the combined figure of the total R&D $ of its schools. Research money has never been pooled and has never been shared like that, not ever, because that would violate the contractual terms of any granting agency, federal or private, and get a bunch of people thrown in jail for fraud and an institution banned from receiving future federal funds. Somehow the false idea still lingers around the internet like a lot of other incorrect ideas.
Research grants are applied for by a faculty members, a principal investigator. There are often collaborating investigators at the same school or other schools need to perform specialized parts of the research (usually in the form of subawards when the faculty is at a different institutions). These collaborations are written into the proposals before they are submitted for review, require contractual agreements between institutions, and they are specifically to perform part of the research work. Athletic affiliations have absolutely zero to do with fostering these collaborations. Such collaborations are borne out of familiarity with colleagues in their fields of endeavor which occur during training or at academic society conferences and meetings or other types of academic interactions and not because two football teams play each other. The idea is ludicrous.
Nor does conference affiliation actually lead to an increased ability for the faculty at a school to obtain research funding. For instance, since Penn State joined the Big Ten, their % share of overall federal research dollars has actually fallen.
And while it is true that Ivory Tower administrators my prefer affiliations with institutions of similar stature, those affiliations don't do a damn thing to increase any school's competitiveness in a particular research space. It just flat out isn't how it works. Oregon State doesn't get any bounce because it plays Stanford, nor is Louisville climbing the any rankings because it plays Duke. The idea is stupid.
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** Edited by CrazyPaco at 4/28/2023, 2:11:59 AM
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particularly with the claims of total research $$$ that you mentioned...the institutions did that independent of the CIC
The BTAA seems a little less like that for whatever reason. Maybe someone told them to stop selling the snake oil. lol.
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Ok, I'm not sure why "who started it" is so important. I kinda knew I shouldn't have responded to that element. So, fine...I started it and I accept all the ramifications of that.
Yes, I've responded to you in disagreement multiple times. It's a discussion board. You have lots of opinions I disagree with (and in the case of research revenue sharing, have a fact just plain wrong), so I jump in the discussion there. How awful!
I am not boasting. You seemed to be questioning the credibility of @2hhoop3 and me and I tried to present why I might know what I'm talking about on this research revenue stuff. If you found it condescending and don't care, oh well. If you want to believe other guys on the internet over the ones here, oh well. I'd be curious why you find them more credible than people here who have actually worked in the field though.
Good luck with Bow Out, the Sequel.
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for Pylons but, yes I do know that is the way it worked when I was involved and I doubt it has changed significantly since I moved on. I really do not care about the ACC terminology you chose to use because anybody that is realistic about the conference make up of the ACC knows they have inherent structural weaknesses that makes their permanent survival questionable at best and, more likely, a matter of when not if. I also know they have outlasted competitors with greater resources and to this day they perform on the field and on the court equivalent or greater than some conferences with far greater resources.
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ND prizes Independence, you can even see that in the ND fans that post on this site. It does go to the roots of that program. I think within the next decade, there will be just two logical conferences for ND to choose a home in. Those being the B1G & SEC. I cannot see ND in the southern SEC. Notre Dame will join the B1G only if forced to do so.
Unless Miami becomes a football powerhouse again in just a few years. They are probably set to go the way of the other ACC leftovers as Boston College & Syracuse. Miami might get in the Big-12 but UCF entering the Big-12 may have hurt those chances. It is possible that the B1G would take Miami if shunned by FSU, just to give the B1G a solid base in that fertile recruiting hot bed. However Miami is not AAU.
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FSU is not priority one for B1G, unless they seriously thought the SEC wanted them as a defensive move.
I agree splitting UVA and UNC off would be the B1G's first objective this side of the Mississippi.
As this is a VT site, and I am a VT guy, that can't be allowed to happen. The question that needs to be forced (from a VT perspective), if the ACC is no longer viable, who wants the package deal of UVa VT UNC and NCSU and/or Duke? I get as a business enterprise only there is more money to go around splitting each state down the middle into ACC/SEC but there needs to be some pushback to retain traditional rivalries. I think UNC UVA (and Duke) have the juice to leverage what they want better than most. Both of the P2, doesnt want to cede DC to Charlotte to the other, so IMO given they would take 4 or 5 before they would be left out. Note- I think NCSU is in the weakest position (behind VT) of those 5 schools.
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On one hand, you have a large public university, and on the other you have a small private school with great basketball credentials. The public school has a lot more fans, but the small private school has better name recognition (during BB season).
I still don't think (small private school) Miami is on either P2's radar, so I would probably give the nod to NCSU over Dook, but one never knows...
UNC is most likely the clear leading P2 expansion school in NC.
As for the Commonwealth, I think UVA and VT are both great P2 options. UVA has AAU status, and VT has probably 4X-5X the fan base. Once again it comes down to what they are looking for, and how much weight they place on different evaluation areas. What's true today may not be true 10 years down the line...
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UNC is the main prize, obviously, but I think the academic/political ties between them and NCSU are strong. I think if there's a package deal on the table it would be those two, not UNC & Duke.
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University of North Carolina system of 16 state schools. They have a common Board of Governors appointed by the NC legislature, who elect a president among them. There are chancellors at each university.
It doesn't have to be a package deal to the same conference - but is very unlikely UNC goes to a P2 without NCSU having a good ACC exit route at the same time.
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I'd rate the SEC as unlikely just because it would hurt ESPN's investment in the ACC network. The B1G may be too snobbish to act in their best interest - if they were smart, they would take enough ACC schools to go down the east coast to Florida.
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If I was the B1G, I'd be going after FSU and Clemson.
SEC-like programs in SEC country. What's not to like?
This is about football. And those two are far better choices that UNC, UVa or GT. Although I wouldn't be shocked to see all 5 end up in the B1G.
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The Big10 and SEC will not renew their contracts for more money, no matter who they add at this point. There are no other negotiating points except a break away conference.
The new negotiations will be the playoffs, and that is where you will find the "football" money.
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it is all about money and things have now gotten to the point where it is going to be about absolute dollar increases rather than per capita increases. Nobody out there, with the possible exception of ND, brings enough revenue to the table to increase per team payouts. Playoff expansion is limited in the dollars it will continue to bring as well because the quality of games matters AND, more importantly, adding playoff games will impact regular season games and big home game paydays. Depending on playoff distribution formulas teams will not pass up lucrative home game payoffs for a playoff model that does not at least match the revenue they will be giving up.
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of the matter. FSU is not shelling out money or enduring upheaval to move until they KNOW FOR SURE they have a landing place and even then a real analysis will include how long it will take to recoup what they spend to get to that landing place. Alford is a useless little boy just whining and if FSU were smart they would focus all their money and energy on strengthening their program in decline because when the dominoes do fall they will likely have a seat at the table and not have spent money just to speed up the process.
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Heard he grossly overvalued earnings to investors...something like 100X overvalued. If that happens, UM's "sugar daddy" will be no more...
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I85Hokie
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Usually, the state school with “State” or “Tech” in its name is the top school in the state for engineering, while the flagship school is more known for law, medicine, business, and liberal arts. In Florida, however, UF is the top engineering school, while UCF is only slightly behind them. FSU’s engineering rep is almost nonexistent. Not to say that FSU doesn’t have any good programs. One of my best friends got an Accounting Information Systems degree from there and did quite well for himself, retiring at 50.
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As the new B1G Commissioner. A lot about Petitti being with MLB and being a TV Executive instead of a college football administrator. They think Petitti is the perfect commissioner for B1G expansion & media negotiations thereafter.
** Edited by WarHog38 at 4/18/2023, 10:23:02 PM
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Other than those two, any fans I know north of Atlanta are similar to Miami fans. They latched on in the late 90's.
One B1G tweeter made a good point. Florida government and Disney are having a pissing match. Even if the B1G came calling, Disney isn't going to do anything to make an exit easy for a Florida school in the same town as the governor. They might even halt a SEC bid just to thumb their nose.
** Edited by Victor Tango at 4/18/2023, 4:35:10 PM
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The Tallahassee-Disney fight as nothing to do with FSU realignment.
Disney isn't going to be cool about FSU leaving under ANY circumstance, because they will lose money. And if FSU gets out of the ACC it won't have anything to do with what the governor thinks about Disney and FSU, or what Disney thinks of the governor or the location of the campus. If there is an early FSU exit, it will be lawyers, judges and juries deciding this.
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Here real soon. They better stay out of fights with the state.
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LOL, don't think they are the ones who are going to get B slapped
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Disney isn't going anywhere, but Florida needs them badly. Disney has 58M visitors a year. LOL at the thought of Florida not needing them.
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They are stuck in Florida. They can't just pick up and move Disney World to another state, and their theme parks are their cash cow while everything else they are in is losing money. The amount of tax revenue Florida receives from Disney is a rounding error in the state budget. Disney needs Florida a lot more than Florida needs Disney.
** Edited by tarheelblue at 4/22/2023, 9:02:37 PM
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State has. They pay more than a billion a year in local and state taxes. The most of anyone in central Florida.
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Truthahn
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It turns out interfering with your state's child education policies isn't a smart business strategy.
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Disney can't afford to leave. And Florida can't afford to have them leave.
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Truthahn
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But it isn't impossible for the Florida gov't to remove their special tax status. The best move for Disney World is to cool it for a while.
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about what will happen next!!!
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WarHog38
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Embraced a branch of that movement. Lost $6 Billion in a week.
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Disney and Anheuser Busch will be just fine
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Are completely different things. Take your political talking points elsewhere.
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there, or they should be diversifying. You do understand that stock market gains/losses are not realized until those stocks are sold, right? No money is lost until the moment a shareholder sells for less than the purchase price
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WarHog38
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$6 Billion would be a lot of selling to devalue a stock to that degree. That is not good. Someone does not have to be a Wall Street wiz kid to come to that conclusion. One must also rationally conclude that the sales of Bud Light have also taken a big drop. That does effect the bottom line with Budweiser.
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