the next round will be a fight between the Big 10 and SEC for VA/NC 2 FLA
qwill the SEC fight for Southern dominance. Will the Big 10 attempt to cut into their core territory and become truly national.
Going UVA/UNC/Clemson/Ga Tech/FSU/Miami plus ND or Wash/Oregon
or does the SEC lock it down
VT/UVA/UNC/NC State/Clemson/Florida State plus Miami, Ga Tech,and maybe OK State and WVU
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in DC. What's at stake now? Richmond? Tidewater? I think NC is still pretty valuable, but I'm not positive on VA. Neither VT or UVa are going to enhance any conference TV money enough to justify a move.
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I would think that an SEC backed Vt could create serious damage to MD and maybe even PSU.
But I agree, it is not a slam dunk right now but with the right teams it could be come the battleground area where both the P2 compete
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Last TV ratings, VT actually out drew viewers than Maryland and Georgetown the DMV area.
We are not cursory school up there, we have a huge campus infrastructure with over 10,000 students enrolled and are members of the DC MD Va Consortium of higher Education with John Hopkins, Md, Georgetown and VT.
And VT has major partners with Boeing, Amazon and Raytheon. (all Corporate HQ in Va.)
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I know parents from other schools with kids at VT that go to VT games.
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and yes Northern Va is part of Virginia, and is home of most of the citizens of Va, and generates a substantial growth in the economy for the Commonwealth. YES ITS PART OF VA.
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Not by a long shot. You have the VT/UVA alums and people who latched into them. But the majority of people I know in VA have no attachment to either and are more likely to watch a high profile football game than seeking out VT vs. GT, for example.
States help with hiking up the conference network price on unknowing state residents subscribing to cable so there’s that.
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got higher fees when MD joined the Big 10 even though I am sure not everyone in MD watches the terp games. Same with Rut
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feel like either dominates the state. The state is full of fans from everywhere.
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compelling content is king - ESPECIALLY for the SEC. The ACC learned this the hard way with the big Boston market (BC) and the big NY market (Syr). Just because there is a school in a big market does not make them a good fit.
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MD, Iowa, Nebraska, Indiana
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It's not as though VT doesn't have a great fanbase, but it doesn't dominate the state. Not by a long shot.
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division of a public company for decases
rvenue was minimal from those states. Plus Bi 12 territory. I owa qho carea. Minnsota. Indana
small stest, 80$ of our rewvwnue was from the largest cities and states. The rest, I ran the numbers by metro and state, but when it came to growing revenue. I would draw a huge circle in the middle of the country. Leave out Texas. Down to Alabama and go "wasterland". Very litte revenue.
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VT dominates in those areas. Sue UNC has some traction in Hampton Roads
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even fans and alimni from orher schools srart following and watching.
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near TN
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#1 last year according to CNBC. Many of the wealthiest counties in the country (Loudoun, Fairfax, Arllington).
It has mony, people, and eyeballs
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VT or UVa. You're just as likely to have a huge influx of Michigan fans as new VT/UVa fans.
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Have see. The huge campus va tech has in northern va
Did you. Know over 10000 vt students atrend these campuses
Did you know that. Vt holds record for attendance for fed ex stadiumdid for hokie games
Did you know almost 2000 alumni attended the kick off classic in manansas
Did you know vt has corporate partnerships with huge northern va corporations boeing amazon and ratheon
Did you know thst vt is member of the national capital alliance with georgetown md hopkins
Do you know vt is the commonwealth's flagship university with the largest enrollment - campuses throughout the state
Biggest r&d institution and dwarfs uvs and the other state schools
Well so don't drink the mis information by folks who want vt to fail
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No doubt there’s a great presence, but you’re talking thousands. Conferences want millions.
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but still VT has value that talking head writers who just blog click bait don't full understand at times. Plus they are not the decision makers.
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How about the Cincy game? 40K?
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It's not like watching football on TV (which seems to be the primary driver of things) is exclusive to the wealthy.
Eyeballs absolutely matter, but poor people have TV's and ESPN too.
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From an SEC perspective, getting the VA and DC markets would roughly be the same as the B1G getting NJ in terms of population coverage.
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I can't see the SEC going west of Texas and into the Midwest, so that ...
leaves the ACC schools south of the Mason-Dixon Line "IF" the SEC wants to expand to 18 or 20. The SEC already has Florida, Georgia, Kentucky and South Carolina, so the states of North Carolina and Virginia would be likely be their first priority. If the SEC doesn't want the Big Ten invading their territory, they'd be wise to add UNC, NC State, Virginia and Virginia Tech so they would have a monopoly on two states with a total population of 19 million residents. It would probably be wise to add Clemson, Georgia Tech and Florida State. That would be 23 members. I'd add West Virginia, Oklahoma State or Texas Tech to get to 24. Maybe Duke instead of OSU or TTU to make UNC happy and further improve SEC men's basketball. I'd avoid Miami since they aren't a state university. No big loss if the Big Ten took them. The only way the SEC keeps the Big Ten out of their geographic footprint is going to 24. I don't know if they would go beyond 18 or 20.
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i can't see them adding Miami, GT or Duke.
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The only difference is I would take Kansas as #24. It would add a new state and bring another big basketball brand: think Kentucky, UNC, and Kansas all in the same league. They also have a historic rivalry with Missouri, if I'm not mistaken.
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...picked Kansas over Big TX. They already have Texas cable rates...lol
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...any schools that are significantly outside of their current footprint. It just doesn't make for a smart business decision.
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I think a lot of the fever about expansion would be cooled if Notre Dame settled back into the status quo with the ACC. That could happen, if so, the ACC could be stable another 1/2 dozen years with just the increasing money pay-outs to the members of the SEC & B1G applying slow cooker type pressure on the ACC. You would hear griping within the ACC but little more for those upcoming 1/2 dozen years. As 2030 nears and light at the end of tunnel in seen on the ACC GOR. You would probably start seeing moves by ACC schools mirroring what Oklahoma & Texas did last summer. If ND soon bails to the B1G, who knows what will happen? I think there is an avenue to break the GOR. It just requires a mass exodus of at least 8 ACC schools. How tough would that be to organize with the modern technology of cellphones. As to who is going where and if the B1G will make a move into the deep south along the east coast. Anybody's guess here is good as anybody elses. The past 30 years of expansion proves that.
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