UNC's Kevin Guskiewicz is optimistic
He says that the ACC is working on things it can do with our contract with ESPN, and he's optimistic on the outcome. Not much new here, but interesting comments nevertheless.
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To me it seems obvious the ESPN is going to improve the ACC deal.
ESPN is not stupid, they are not going to allow multiple brand/markets walk away from a conference that they completely control. There are several good to great options out there to improve the conference through expansion. If ESPN gives the ACC the green light then I expect the conference to expand. There is even the chance that the ACC becomes a coast to coast conference.
I thinks its funny that some people actually believe the schools, conferences, and networks don't know what they are doing. This is a billion dollar industry run by very smart and invested people. No one is asleep at the wheel.
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From a Monday article on ESPN about the B1G's new members:
In the ACC, Phillips held an emergency call July 1, first with ACC presidents and then athletic directors, to once again go over a long-term strategy. Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick was on the call because the Irish have all their sports aside from football inside the ACC.
ACC sources felt a sense of deja vu going back to last year, when questions about the long-term viability of the conference grew louder after the Texas and Oklahoma moves. The ACC has had strategy conversations like these ever since, including whether it was financially beneficial to expand with schools like West Virginia or, yes, USC.
"We looked at everybody," one source said. "What do you do? I don't think coast to coast was an appetite that the presidents wanted. I think that perspective would have changed if they had known."
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Both the PAC12 and Big XII are up for renewal. ESPN is bidding on both. They will WIN one or the other, and the ACC will be put together with the winner. This is my prediction. Given that the PAC12 has an existing network makes me think that the PAC12 is the odds on favorite. If this happens, we'll get through this round.
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ESPN may sweeten the media deal, but it won't make up for travel to the west coast.
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Agree. I think what is happening is the streaming services aren’t
interested until a conference has national coverage with inter-regional games. Will be interesting to watch.
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...it's much better if we aren't flying our non-revenue teams to the opposite coast very often.
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teams in the division? I'm referring to non-revenue sports that may be currently sponsored by only 1 conference (i.e. M/W water polo, M/W lacrosse, etc.), but not both conferences. Or sports currently sponsored by neither conference (i.e. M/W ice hockey), but a team (i.e. Arizona State and BC) from either conference currently sponsors the sport.
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Just let schools that are more isolated on geographic islands play more out-of-conference games with school that are more local. Women's lax isn't important enough to be flying teams across the country often to play conference games.
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M/W ice hockey, and M/W water polo. So why should things be suddenly different in a Coast-to-Coast Conference World? I mean if we are just talking men's lacrosse, then there are currently only 3 schools (out of 73) west of the Mississippi River that sponsor the sport; Denver, Utah, and Air Force. If the ACC and Pac-12 merged, then Utah would be the only school in the Pacific Division. While the Atlantic Division would consist of the 5 ACC schools. Now women's lacrosse would be in better shape because the Pac-12 currently sponsors the sport (Arizona St, Cal, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, and USC).
It is worth noting that Air Force and Utah are members of the Atlantic Sun for men's lacrosse. While Denver is a member of the Big East for both lacrosse teams. If the Atlantic Sun and the Big East have no problem flying across country for a conference lacrosse game, then I don't see why the ACC should suddenly have a problem with it. Given that some of the sports have so few teams that sponsor it for whatever reason, it may be difficult (or impossible) to create regional conferences (or divisions) to try to reduce cost. So if the conferences want to create regional conferences for the non-revenue sports, then they may have to figure out ways to encourage more schools in all the regions to decide to sponsor said sport.
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The key is that the GOR is not being changed. It is the ESPN contact behind the GOR that is being discussed. I’m not sure if that ESPN contact is publicly available, but I did finally read the GOR contact. Sharing here for anyone else who has not seen it yet.
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reason.
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money. I hope it happens and brings some stability.
SHorten contract?
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They are likely going to lose UNC UVA Duke and ND to Fox. Im sure they are deciding how much it is worth it to them to keep them competitive and lock up the entire southeast while making some possible enhancements with the ACC at the same time.
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Some options from the Big XII, American, or perhaps some deal if ESPN gets the PAC12. If the ACC can get into third most revenue payouts, it would be the best I believe we can hope for. I think the SEC and B1G are going to be set for another round of contracts at this point. You never know, but I think so. If NBC makes ND happy, they probably will stay Independent for now.
I'm hearing rumors that CBS will go hard after the Big XII. They have their CBS Sports Net to put games on in addition to the CBS broadcast, and they lost the SEC on Saturday. ESPN will get the Tier 3 on ESPN+. So if true, who wants the PAC12 remnants? ESPN might get them and their network since Larry Scott is gone, and put something together with us. We have to let it play out.
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I'm ok with that. We've often discussed here about having a team in Dallas/Ft Worth if we go to Texas. SMU is in Dallas and fits the academic quality the ACC looks for.
I've also seen rumblings of Memphis. To me they're another Louisville, but they bridge the geographic gap between Texas and the rest of the ACC. It's another Metro Conference team.
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Gets 5 new states and basketball / some football street cred. However, doubt that moves the $$ needle too much.
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financial life depends on it. If the ACC had abandoned their academic snobbery a long time ago, they may not be in the position they are in today.
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Memphis would not be my choice. But it does open the 7 million people in Tennessee to our cable rates for the ACCN. Cincinnati is 12 million in Ohio.
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I know that ESPN will drive what they want, but I don’t think temple will happen.
I can see the B12 schools easiest. And sure the PAC stuff could work but seems reactionary. Who knows anymore. I’m just going to sit back and wait for the next breaking news.
I sure hope the ACC has a good year in football because it is critical at this point to helps us have some hand.
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I do not like NBC.
** Edited by goldendomer at 7/13/2022, 12:29:06 AM
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CBS and Fox have the best production standards.
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🏀 breaking off from the NCAA, John Skipper thinks, people are underestimating what can happen to the ACC money wise if/when it does. Since he said it, I’ve read tons of articles on it and it sure seems very possible to me, although I seem to be one of very few that think that way. However, I’ll take his knowledge on what’s next, with his background and experience on the subject. My guess is more think it, but feel it’s like stealing Cinderella’s last slipper. I say there are plenty of Cinderellas in the P64, one of them won the ACC Tournament this year.
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I agree that everyone needs to keep in mind that there is a committee discussing revamping the NCAA right now. So you could be correct. We also need to see how that plays out. The Power 6, and I include the Big East regarding basketball, my break away for the non-football sports. The best of the non Power 5 who are basketball oriented (and that's you Gonzaga), need to get into the Big East.
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Something like 60% of the money goes to the conferences while 40% goes to the NCAA. Right now the NCAA gets about $1.1B per year for the tournament, a laughable amount considering that it just gets renewed with a modest bump every time the exclusive rights window opens up. Put it out for an open bid, and it gets $1.5B easily, and don't have it funding D1, D2, and D3, and the money for the D1 conferences skyrockets.
There are 6 power conferences in basketball, and those are the schools that drive the ratings, those conferences could receive $200M each per year if they break off, and provide $10M a year each to the other D1 conferences that take part in the tourney. Each conference then gets $1M for each win a school records in a tournament, and all the D1 schools will be taking home about 5-10 times the money they are now. The bottom of the rung conferences are getting about $2M a year from the NCAA (6 years x $330,000 tourney unit), so the Southland Conference will go from receiving $2M a year "guaranteed" to $10M a year guaranteed. Those schools will go from receiving $200K a year to $1M a year.
Instead of having the $1M per tourney win go to the conferences, maybe the schools that win the games would have it sent directly to them. That way the tourney champ would get a $6M bonus, and Cinderellas would get a crystal slipper instead of a glass one.
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"Membership.
A model for new (or enhanced) membership obligations/ requirements, including the appropriateness of a new subdivision, division or even differently defined categories of institutions (e.g., groups, leagues, consortiums)."
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