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Athens OP
Oct 30, 2024 at 10:31 AM ET
7-0 Pitt vs. 7-1 SMU on the ACC network while a 4-3 SEC is on ABC primetime
Would have been perfect for ESPN Gameday but they'd rather go to a BIG game with bigger names broadcasted by a different network. To be fair Clemson vs. 5-3 Louisville is on ESPN but shows you that bigger brand names matter more to the networks than better matchups/records.

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Baltimore_Hokie
But Jim Phillips told me that ESPN is a great business partner for the ACC!
The conference is flourishing! ACC Football programs get nationwide exposure and are household names! Times have never been better for the ACC, baby!!!!!!
wwhokie1 wwhokie1
You could make the argument that times have never been better for the ACC.
When you consider the amount of money coming in, television exposure, and we have new teams, You could say things are looking good. However, even though we're making more money than we did in the past, we are still falling behind the P2. They're making way more money than they did in the past. As a result, they're leaving the ACC in the dust. So, if you want to compare the ACC to the ACC in past years, yes we're doing great. But unfortunately we're not competing with the ACC of the past, we're competing with the SEC and BIG of the present and the future. If you remove that tunnel vision, things look less rosy. Jim Phillips can present things to give it a positive spin, but we all know better.
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Baltimore_Hokie
I agree with you on all points. The main reason I give Phillips a hard time
is because he doesn't understand his job. Or, if he does, he's intentionally refusing to do it. He thinks he is a boss athletic director over other athletic directors, like he's the president of a big athletic organization and all the athletic directors are his senior vice-presidents. This could not be further from what his actual role is. He is the CEO of an entertainment vendor. He is no different, in principle, than the CEO of Warner Bros. Discovery. His job is to sell a product (FOOTBALL and MEN'S BASKETBALL) to TV/streaming consumers and maximize the return for his constituent organizations. That's it, that's the whole enchilada. If TV money wasn't a thing, there would be no reason for the ACC as currently constituted to exist. If TV money wasn't a thing, VT football and all the other athletic programs could never leave a 3 hour radius from Blacksburg, and it wouldn't matter one bit. It's ALL about TV money. All the rest of it is either secondary support for the primary goal or entirely inconsequential. And he is out so far ahead of his skis, he's so far underwater, that he pretty much comes off as this sweaty, pathetic rube pining for yesteryear, talking about "gated communities" and "student athletes" while the product he is supposed to be selling dies on the vine. He should have been fired years ago. The ACC needs a cold blooded killer running the conference, and not some college athletics administrator - a MEDIA EXECUTIVE that knows how to SELL A PRODUCT. Professional Wrestling is still a thing, despite the fact everyone knows it's fake, and despite how low brow it is, because the people that run the WWE know what they're selling and how to sell it. Imagine if, tomorrow, they had the athletic director from Iowa installed as chief executive of the WWE. That's basically what the ACC has in Jim Phillips, the Charlie Brown of conference commissioners.
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1947Sunbowl
thats the decision and investment that that ESPN Made
Exclusivity
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Marooned
ACC fan bases should try to crush the ratings
To make a statement, if not for the shear entertainment value. Talk it up at work and with family how this game is being overlooked.
reestuart reestuart
that's all well and good, but the ACC doesn't publish ACCN numbers.
Nobody knows how good or bad the network has been, ratings wise. Same with the SECN. You have to assume neither has been great. But ACCN is probably god-awful.
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
The ACCN has to be awful if Spurtle, Tac Shaver, and Tac Sunglasses are no
longer sponsors on the channel. It wouldn't surprise me if the only reason the ACCN has sponsors is because ESPN packaged the ad space with the SECN or one of the other ESPN family of networks.
reestuart reestuart
Yeah, buy some space on ESPN and get free ads on ACCN.
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Stech
💵💵💵💵…some people got to have it 🤣 PS If you know this song you r older
like me, or at least probably an older adult. 🤣🤣
Culpeper Hokie Culpeper Hokie
Huh?
wwhokie1 wwhokie1
It is not about record, it is about how many people want to watch and name
recognition. That is why Oregon had to take a partial payment to join the BIG while UCLA did not. Oregon has a much better football program. Pitt and SMU just don't draw the audience. Networks care about who brings in the money, not who deserves the attention based on performance.
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Big12 guy
What is worse than that is the disrespect they received in the polls.
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Stech
…and a big factor to that is what station broadcast them. It doesn’t hurt
anymore, which is probably the saddest part.
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Athens OP
ACC is a dead man walking even if it survives the lawsuits. VT to SEC ASAP!
El Paso Hokie El Paso Hokie
The networks know what people want to watch. IIWII.
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
And possibly bet on.
CobbCountyHokie CobbCountyHokie
The days of an ACC game in prime time on ABC have come and gone
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33laszlo99
It's just beginning. Imagine how precious ABC windows will become when the
the SEC/B1G exchange falls into place. The SEC will increase their access to B1G markets, especially the large Pacific Coast metros. The B1G will get the views they have always wanted in Texas and Florida. And this cross-pollination might make realignment less urgent (though NC and VA will remain bones of contention). The B1G's media partners will still push for growth, i.e. in Miami, but conferences may learn that they can bide their time.
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Truthahn
I wonder if a scheduling arrangement with the SEC is smart for the B10.
They are not going to fare well in the long run against the SEC, IMO. Michigan for example is used to large advantages in scheduling, usually starting the season with three home G5 out-of-conference games. In 2022 they opened with three home games: ECU, UNLV, and Bowling Green. In 2023 it was Colorado State, Hawaii and UConn, also all at home. This year, they still started with three home games, but two G5's and Texas, which was a big loss for them. I would have expected VT to have the same out-of-conference record as Michigan if we had had those games. It turns out playing three G5 teams, at home every year to start your season, is a great way to have success.
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33laszlo99
It's been a while since The B1G was viewed as a better or equal FB
conference compared to SEC-SEC-SEC! The B1G's reputation could slip a little, but if they do moderately well, they have more upside than downside. Besides, this is not about W's and L's. It's about media money, a subject about which The B1G outpaces even the Mighty SEC. B1G moves in recent years: Started playing nine conference games. (Others will follow suit, including SEC) Put multiple conference games in the early weeks and playing OOC games further down the schedule to improve ratings in weeks 1 through 3. Stole all the high earning programs from The PAC 12. Spread their media content across three OTA networks. They make a bunch of money but they never stop pushing for more. This is the legacy of Jim Delany. I keep watching the drama between The PAC 2 and MWC. Chances are Fox will find a way to exploit that situation. It's what they do. ** Edited by 33laszlo99 at 10/31/2024, 5:36:08 PM
reestuart reestuart
the networks won't care who wins any of these games. People watch these
teams, regardless of how good they actually are. Michigan-MSU drew over 1.7M viewers on the Big Ten Network Saturday. That's better than every single ACC game of the weekend. 800K + more than Cuse-Pitt on ESPN Thursday.
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Truthahn
The B10 should not allow the SEC to look better than them.
The B10 is barely better than the ACC right now. If they start playing 16 games a year with the SEC, people will begin to notice that.
reestuart reestuart
I think the Big Ten is a whole lot better than the ACC right now. Maybe
not every year, but it's not close this season. If the money rolls in, nobody will care at all. Michigan was a complete rebuild. Don't forget that USC (4 losses & 13th in the Big Ten) beat LSU this year. 16th place Rutgers beat VT on the road as well. ** Edited by reestuart at 10/31/2024, 12:53:58 PM
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VT757to276
With the amount of Bigsec investment, curious how long media "allows" this.
it's a momentum starter to begin w/ 2-3 less-resourced programs, BUT espn-fox would get an additional million(s) eye-balls with bigger match-ups....
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
In order for a P2 split to even be possible, I would think the first step
is for the Big Ten and SEC to enter into a formal scheduling agreement. The scheduling agreement will likely start out in 1 or 2 sports and then eventually expand to include all sports. Once that happens then it may become a question of when the 2 conferences make the formal announcement. You could even say things have been trending in that direction for some time given the number of bowl tie-ins involving both conferences. I think it even got to the point where the non-BCS/FBS Playoff bowl games on New Year's Day were basically Big Ten vs. SEC games.
reestuart reestuart
Poor ol' MAC will lose their Tuesday/Wednesday games. Prepare for ACCtion!
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Big12 guy
Not only that, but ESPN actually said to the MAC at
one point that they were lucky to be there.