I can't link it but the guy on YouTube ...
"College Football Addiction " has been posting that the ACC is about to collapse. Check his videos....latest this morning....and comment. Sorry I can't link it.
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he's very confident but I find his reasoning is never super solid imho
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And now 8 months later it is being discussed everywhere. A few more things are now publicly known that weren’t last August like ESPN’s option to kill the ACC contract (decision by February 2025) and that the B1G is highly interested in FSU becoming a member and that Calford would soon be joining the ACC for a measly 30% revenue share, but the gist of what I said back then is now becoming the central topic on many college realignment video channels including College Football Addiction.
Here is a link to my posting back on 8/15/23. There is also a link at the bottom of that post that talks about the composition clause and how it was already triggered once before with the membership of Pittsburgh and Syracuse. The thread itself is also illuminating looking back 8 months ago.
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in the current contract. Most likely it vanished with the GOR's...what would be the purpose for having both?
Note ESPN had to sign off on recent additions because of the increase in gross payout like they did with the rounds Big 12 adds.
The renewal/extension is the "new" element we (general public), and the courts, are figuring out. The tabloid elements, of the FSU case in particular, are just click bait.
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from the ESPN contract.
We know that it was there is 2011 because of widespread reporting and the fact that it was used to renegotiation the ESPN contract along with extending it. The contract was again renegotiated in 2016 (a fatal flaw by the way) and extended until 2027 with ESPN having an unilateral option to extend it to 2036 or not (“not” now seemingly the chalk).
IMO the composition clause and the GOR address different issues. The composition clause provides ESPN with the legal remedy to address changes in conference membership. Also, when UConn left the AAC to rejoined the Big East back in 2020, the composition clause was mentioned numerous times along with an ESPN spokesperson commenting that this clause was standard in all ESPN contracts.
Finally, there is no denying that TJ from “College Football Addiction” is an FSU homer, but he is also well connected to the FSU athletic department. The public might not know what is in the ESPN contract, but people at FSU know and I don’t think that it is a coincidence that TJ is now obsessively talking about it on his YouTube channel.
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the purpose of the composition clause is to protect the content for the network; the purpose of the GOR is to protect the content for the network.
there is no need for both
everyone on the FSU bandwagon wants what FSU wants, which applies to both Rohan and the "if...if...if...if...and if the alleged facts are true" addict. you're right it isn't a coincidence, talking obsessively about it is how they make money.
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The ESPN media rights agreement is a 160+ page legal agreement between their network and an athletic conference. Two very different documents not even between the same entities. Let’s say FSU and Clemson win their media rights back from the conference in court or negotiate a settlement with the ACC as most people are now speculating, ESPN isn’t contractually going to continue to pay the ACC the same amount of money because they have a composition clause in their media rights agreement. The agreement that they signed.
I can understand the skepticism surrounding these YouTube channels, but some channels have been reporting on conference realignment with a fair degree of accuracy. The track record of some are better than others.
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composition obviously cuts both ways; why did ESPN just agree to pay the conference per team average for Cal, Stanford, and SMU? do you think the ACC magically found 3 teams whose market value is the same average as their other members, i.e., are composition neutral?
and do you think Clemson, who has not discussed withdrawing in their legal filing, can get from where they are now to fully gone by June 30? they won't have an answer to their rights questions by then. nor will FSU.
i don't think anyone is withdrawing before they know the results of the court cases; and none of that happens before ESPN has to decide whether to extend
addict needs to get his eyes a bit less dilated and read the answer the ACC gave to the judge regarding what they would do with the FSU's rights. he doesn't need to build or work thru multiple layers of "ifs" to see that a negotiated settlement won't be particularly straightforward if someone else is involved in buying the rights. ACC is going to seek market value whether that $ comes from FSU, a TV network, or other conference.
** Edited by daveinop at 4/15/2024, 7:34:05 AM
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That would not have worked, but the PAC didn’t sign a TV deal with ESPN when they had a chance. Of course the schools that wanted to make basically double (all of them) in the B1G and had a realistic chance to get in, were probably the reason it fell apart. That ended up being two schools immediately, and two schools getting in now, but ramping up to full money later. We probably know the 3 schools that didn’t approve recent ACC expansion probably have a seat at the P2 table, but beyond that is a lot of guessing on how many they take and what their real priorities are when it happens.
** Edited by Stech at 4/14/2024, 9:05:59 AM
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You know is slant on the argument. Just take it what's it worth
Really dont like the in your face/ I got all the answers. attitude.
but again its florida
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Also I spent the first 10 years of my life in Vienna and Falls Church so in a way I was coming back home for college.
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funny if they go to the SEC, who is the big DOG/? alabama, UGA, Texas (Now) and big 10 sorry its Ohio State and Michigan and the rest
FSU just another school
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Its based on this "composition clause" in the ACC contract being triggered before June 30th. Which will supposedly void the ESPN/ACC contract. But I'm not sure the existence of this clause has actually been verified.
It also makes the assumption that either FSU/Clemson can just leave the conference anytime they want or the lawsuits will all be resolved by then. Both seem very unlikely if not impossible.
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to think ESPN would force FSU and Clemson to join the SEC (antitrust laws etc.). They also said the other ACC schools would sue ESPN’s britches off for screwing the rest of them.
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There are so many composition clauses in these network contracts that even the presidents and BOT don't know about. They are in there to protect the networks mostly, which is why they are all protected as trade secrets the networks don't wish to have revealed through courtroom Discovery. Rumors have been flying about this clause and that clause.
Is the GoR good through 2036 in regards to media rights if ESPN does not renew past 2026? That is the biggest legal question out there with different interpretations by hundreds of online lawyers.
If Clemson and FSU both leave this summer what are the ramifications now? We know the courtroom battle finish line is way down the road.
If I am an ACC school I am already preparing for the departure of Clemson and FSU as if it happened already. When it happens, ESPN will without question pull the current media contract that included both those programs and renegotiate a new contract that will require a new GoR signing by all members. Some things we can't know, others are just logical deductions.
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Clemson will play UGA(Atlanta), App State, @FSU, Citadel, and USCe. FSU will play Memphis, Clemson, Charleston Southern, UF, and maybe @ND. If they bolt by this summer, then the ACC is not obligated to provide 7 games for them, and they are then on their own. They will be so desperate to put together a schedule that they will pay about anything to get a team to play them.
I'm sure the sponsorships that those 2 have at their stadiums and arenas call for a certain level of teams to play there or they don't have to pay as much for that sponsorship. I doubt the fans will flock to see 4-5 games against FCS or G5 level teams which means that they won't be having the concession sales they usually do. Top it off with the TV networks terrified of broadcasting the games because of the question of copyright ownership (the ACC does own the copyrights until 2036 season), and Clemson and FSU are going to have a very difficult financial issue for the next few years.
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If Clemson and FSU announce they are leaving before June 30 (before Calford and SMU become fulltime ACC members), ESPN has the right to cancel their current contract rates for the 2024 season as the number of ACC members drops below the 15 team threshold.
In other words, there is likely going to be a settlement before kickoff.
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No one in the ACC is giving up their home hame with FSU or Clemson.
It's their home ACC games that will be boycotted, so 2024 isn't as big a deal schedule wise that some think.
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Don't know where his allegiance is but it is not to being even handed.
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is a Nole homer and moron(sorry for the redundancy) just like Rohan. Only difference is Rohan is smart enough to hedge his bets.
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I appreciate his self-confidence but ...
he needs to use his "talent" to sell used cars or vinyl siding and windows.
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the ACC breaking their own rules etc. But if the ACC grows a pair (which they won't because they are owned by ESPN and will do whatever ESPN says). That is a reason ESPN will not blow them up. The ACC is not like the PAC and fought ESPN.
The GOR is an Agreement, Contract, Covenant between 14 teams in 9 states to share and share alike and granting to the ACC something like a POA. It is so much bigger than just the ACC. It is so much bigger than a state court suit in SC or FLA. The issue of the GOR must be the 1st thing the court decides because a whole lot of the other stuff is based on whether the GOR is valid.
Even all the charges of breaking their own rules cannot be reduced to FSU in Florida.
In short he thinks that whatever needs to happen to kill the ACC is what will happen. More a hope.
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on this board. Then we find out about a clause here, or one in the contact there....
It's why they are currently litigating it.
None if us fans knows how this will end. I only have enough info to form an opinion, but I don't have enough info to "know"
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Has the much stronger case.
Now the Florida judge is a double Nole and is elected in the panhandle, so justice is secondary, but the appellate courts in Florida are legit.
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Say that I wasn't going to share my opinion on the GOR anymore - as my take is evolving?
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his twin brother by a different mother should be viewed for the humor they provide.
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