Looking more and more like there will eventually be 3 Power conferences....
and the ACC will not be one of those! Hopefully when the ACC does start to implode, the magnificent 7or 8 or whatever find a home in one of those P3 (BIG, SEC and now the B12). Amazing how the B12 has somewhat resurrected their conference with some nice (not overwhelmingly great) schools and might be adding a number more from the former PACwhatever! The B12 might end up overtaking the ACC in annual payouts
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The B12 is in a terrible spot. They are gloating now but all they did was
solidify their standing as a minor conference in comparison to the top three. The ACC still has much more potential than the B12 will have in the next ten years. Take a look at the teams left in the B12. I see a bunch of programs (all sports) that would be mid to bottom of the ACC. They have some good basketball programs but that is about it.
One thing to remember is the next conference to have a GOR expire is the B12. If there are any schools worth taking they will be poached in five years, well before ACC schools will be available. ESPN controls what happens next, but they stand to have the opportunity to take the best of the B12 into the ACC in a few years.
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Assuming they get Utah and ASU, they will have 16 teams. They will be very stable, and will have several teams that have a track record of being in the top 10 (OSU, Baylor, TCU, Utah, UCF at least).
They are in danger of having one or two teams poached by the ACC, of course, in 2030. But the B12 will get a chance to upgrade their TV contract, so there might not be a good enough reason to jump over to the ACC.
UCF might be our best play then. They will be very sick of travel, and should be very attractive to us. They could be a very good FSU replacement, should it really come to that.
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That's some homerism there.
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The ACC has multiple schools that fit in the B10 and SEC. B12 has 0.0
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I don’t understand. I gave you an example of how the ACC is better. Maybe
we should look at conference revenue? ACC wins
Maybe per team revenue? ACC wins
How about having a network? ACC wins
Populous states? ACC wins
Where does the B12 win against the ACC?
Yes, you could argue that the B12 has better teams left after getting raided than the ACC would have left after getting raided. Is that what we’re talking about?
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I just don't think the gulf is as big as implied (the B12 being "minor" in comparison)
Moving the goalposts is about the first post referencing strength of all sports programs...where I don't think there's really that much of a difference. I think if the conferences played each other in everything, you'd see 2 pretty evenly matched leagues.
Then the criteria became who the P2 might want...which is a fairly different measure.
Now it's revenue. Or state population. Or TV networks.
But, again, my point was not to say the B12 was better.
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It's a BIG SEC thing.
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B12 is better situated geographically i guess
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days.
If we can get the old Big East together, at least the NE part, I don't care which conference they are in - it's good football.
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strengthened themselves but, you are being pretty hyperbolic calling "UCF a blue blood one of these days." What would be the last program, in your opinion, to crack the blue blood ceiling?
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the block in FBS football, they came from nowhere, have administrative support, are in a recruiting hot bed, they are young, hip, cool, and large. The B12 was lucky they were available.
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the question you were asked nor was it ever asserted it had anything at all to do with the Big 12. It called out the hyperbole and likely naivete of your statement and was intended to see what your understanding of a blueblood might really be.
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did I pass beyond a reasonable doubt?
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If we had just taken WVU, and the PAC had taken two or four (from Kansas, OSU, and the Texas teams), they would have been finished.
At that time, I was suggesting the ACC take Baylor and OSU. That would have also done it, too, IMO. But it would have been better to work with the PAC to completely wipe them out.
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"someone please stop taking calls from Western Kentucky"
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If being like the big 12 was desirable, nobody would be wanting to leave the ACC. The Big 12 has just accepted its fate of not being able to compete with the SEC and Big 10. They're fighting for number three status. Knowing that will leave them 30 or 40 million behind the big 10 and the SEC, but there's nothing they can do about that. The Big 12 is basically surrendered, because the SEC and Big 10 are not coming after their programs. ACC is in a different boat, because they still have programs possibly desired by the power two.
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expanded playoffs. It is also positioned to be a, if not the, premier basketball conference. Remember, the NCAA tournament will be reconfigured and that contract will be huge.
It's still my contention that while the money battle may be lost today, the war will be won in the playoffs and tournament. Oregon will be a perineal 8-4 or 7-5 team now.
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athletes a salary, maybe by school, maybe by conference. It may simply be a percentage of the media money. But the size of your athletic budget will matter. Next look at NIL. The population and generosity of your alumni base will determine (not absolutely) the success of your recruiting efforts.
The P2 will eventually occupy all of the TV windows, and the visibility of you team/conference on television will also drive recruiting up or down.
Basketball will help many programs stay in the race. That's why Fox is trying to beef-up The Big12 hoops roster by pushing for UConn and Gonzaga. It's why Yormark is sniffing around the Northeast for MBB expansion. College hoops are important there and the media companies have not fully exploited it (yet).
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other battles. That is why FSU is wanting to leave the ACC, and describe the current situation as death by a thousand cuts.
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they spent decades in the G5. Texas has been one of the richest athletic programs almost from the beginning of time. They didn't even come close to dominating the old, or new B12.
Let FSU go, take their money. They will end up being a middle of the pack team in either the BIG or SEC. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, VT is getting the auto, and playing in the playoffs.
I'm not sure I have the writing skills to convey that teams will continue to be competitive, and this will turn out to not be as big a deal as some think. Alabama was winning championships before the media dollar bonanza. Nothing has changed.
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They have accepted their fate, they're no longer trying to compete with the SEC, they are simply trying to add schools that are going to strengthen their position as it currently stands. If the ACC had lost Clemson and Florida State just as the Big 12 and the PAC have lost their top two teams, then the ACC could have made moves to establish themselves as the number three conference long term. As it is the ACC will probably meet the same fate as the PAC. The question for VT and other schools, is do we end up in a Power 2 conference, or the big 12, or some lesser fate. That's why I believe that a school like West Virginia would turn down an invitation to the ACC right now.
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