a debate about which commuter school in the middle of Florida is the better choice to replace OU or TX in a conference? Seriously? I'm sure the programming execs at every major network are salivating over the opportunity to put USF vs Texas Tech in a prime time nationwide matchup on their flagship network. That would draw 10s of viewers outside those 2 markets, BRILLIANT!!

you have nothing, you have nothing to lose. No one has ever said that UCF replaces an Oklahoma or a Texas. I mean, really, how many Universities are really in their class? A flag has been planted in Florida by the B12. They do not need two G5 flags.

Get your point though

he likes the NY market.

Southern Cal is private. You could argue UCLA sorta fits the bill, with Cal being the Flagship and UCLA being sorta "directional" but that aint the same as USF. Anything with a direction that isnt the state's flagship is perceived as minor league in branding.

And when I think "South Florida", I don't think Tampa. The "USF Bulls" always seemed to be like the benign opposing team in a cheesy fictional Disney sports movie. Or maybe a team that the Globetrotters play. I even think their logo is lame. Side note: College football could use a heavy dose of the '51 Dons. And "the Dons" is one of the greatest nicknames ever🤺.

origins of the state names.

sound like a prestigious place ? I know there are very logical reasons why these schools were named , but those names can be a bit of a burden if they take off.

** Edited by tarheelblue at 6/22/2023, 12:37:42 PM

so nope

Both have had extraordinary seasons in football. UCF's are more recent and sustained, however. UCF has become a much larger school too. It's unfortunate for USF because overall, they are more established, academically and athletically.

consider them, already have teams in Florida. And no one nationally is clamoring for that USF-UCF rivalry. Maybe UCF beat them to the P5 by being in the national picture over the last 5 years or so. And that they built an on-campus stadium sooner.

But to me B12 should need that rivalry moving forward. ** Edited by MrFantastic! at 6/21/2023, 10:49:30 AM

Trying to get into as many states as possible might be more important to the ACC than it is to the BXII in terms of TV money since the ACC has its own network and the XII doesn't. Not sure of this though.

the Big 12, its members, press and fans are not sure what the TV deal is yet either but, they will let you know once things get finalized in the PAC 12. Right now Yormark has got his fingers crossed he can get a few real P5 schools from the PAC 12 to prop up his reported deal so he does not have to use all the UT/OU exit fees to lessen the impact of their departure. It will be interesting to see what reality going forward with the Big 12 will be. Come 2025 the Big 12 will be paid for what they really have versus what they had.

Still wonder ucf over usf? I’d take both if b12.

The B12 as well. I mean, there's a difference between having a toehold in FL, vs. making a statement in FL.

** Edited by MrFantastic! at 6/21/2023, 10:32:41 AM

their media contract (whatever it is :)) has no bearing on the ACC, or the ACC's future other then the fact that they are in your backyard with UCF, and possibly UCONN. My interest in the ACC is from a fans perspective. If there is a possibility of the Old Big East schools somehow finding their way to playing in the midwest???? It might be the only thing from my perspective that would be good about the ACC splintering. The Big12 has a flag in the ground in Florida. We don't know how this plays out, so if the 12 is in fact looking to build a basketball conference, then so be it, as the 12 has already lost the football battle.

I wished the old BIG 8 was together. Plus maybe the Texas 4. I wish the ACC had 10 teams and VT indeed one of them . I wished the SEC was back to 10. BIG also. Old days much better than where this headed, imho.

going to the past is the answer, as it's what got us into this mess. After this all shakes out, and the BIG and SEC have most of the best football teams. maybe instead of waiting for them to break off and form their own league, the PAC, ACC, and other FBS programs scrap the existing conferences altogether, form a new association, and pool their resources to negotiate the mother of all media contracts. Break off into 8 team "conferences" based on geography, have two OOC rivalries, and the last two OOC games are determined by a committee, matching the top schools that year with the other top schools creating really good matchups that any college football fan would watch. The top 6 conferences get auto's, so 4 playoff slots are guaranteed, and with the strength of schedule by matching two games every year, would create the SOS for a non conference winners to get some of those invites as well. Do this scheduling for football, and a form of it for basketball. All other non revenue sports compete locally, except for a few games or matches each year. Let the schools that make the postseason keep their money, give bonuses to teams that are in prime TV slots, reward teams with a tough SOS, and reward teams that fill a % of their stadiums. Otherwise, every team gets the same base amount of money. Equal opportunity, but not equal outcomes. The schools that have/are invested/investing in their programs will be successful, and those that don't? ...

I see unhappiness abroad in SEC/BIG for the future. One should look just at South Carolina and Mississippi State schedule in 2024. It is made for TV i suppose but be darned some schools. Time will tell of course .

that the consolidation of the football blue bloods in two conferences is dilutive, and teams that are used to double digit winning seasons are going to be knocked down a peg. There will be only one conference champion in the SEC for example. I don't care who you are, the conference just got tougher to win with the addition of Texas and Oklahoma - the same can be said for the BIG. Who will be the next blue blood that joins Nebraska in obscurity? Will Florida be satisfied with 4 loss seasons in the SEC? Will USC? It will be fascinating how this plays out, and I'm REALLY hoping the PAC stays together, because those auto's will be worth their weight in gold as we all sit back and watch those in the P2 beat themselves out of playoff contention, year after year. Would you rather have a rich athletic department always floundering to find a way to have that double digit season, or would you rather have a hungry pissed off athletic department and fan base playing in the playoffs for a national championship? Does anyone here really thing that Clemson's success can be maintained in the SEC? Or that FSU is a world beater in the BIG or SEC? Be careful what you ask for, because being included in that group goes downhill very fast after the check is cashed.

To effectively kill off this collective of P5 remnants and keep them from banding together, the P2 will need to acquire just enough of the P5 to eliminate any chance those remnants might have to band together. Large state schools (in large states) and big brands. 24 in each league. That means absorbing 16 more schools and the lions share of TV viewership. Kansas, FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, NC State, VT, UVA Oregon, Washington, ND, Stanford, Arizona, Az State and two others. (Colorado? Utah? BYU? TCU? Cal? Ok State? Pitt?) Each league sends 6 to its conference playoff. The champs meet for the national title. If you can be in the top 25% of your league you’ve got a shot. And with those 48 teams, they’ll have their massive viewer base locked in.

two P2 conferences. I just don't think that is the goal. The BIG and SEC just took the top 4 brands that were available. It was to peak their media deals, and that has been accomplished. Take the top estimate of the BIG's contract for the sake of argument, $100M per team, per year. They currently have 16 teams when you include USCLA. Do you really think there are 8 more teams out there that would not dilute those numbers? Are there 10 additional teams for the SEC that bring those kinds of numbers? Call me crazy, but there a couple in the ACC, one maybe two in the PAC, and ND that MIGHT be worth those dollars. I think the BIG is done, because "reports" say that they only have pro rata for ND, but that, like everything, is negotiable. I think the SEC is done as well. The wild card for now is what happens with the PAC. That will determine the immediate future, and I'm not at all convinced that Fox will shell out BIG money for the North West, or any other schools in the PAC.