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grtmmt grtmmt OP
Jul 18, 2026 at 11:11 PM ET
John Camden scored 22 points
tonight for the wizards summer league team.

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marcbvtgm
3-16 from 3 in his first 3 games. Most top prospects sat out the last game.
I think the top 8 players for the Wizards squad were out. His 22 points was basically a tree falling in the forest. Nobody heard it. ** Edited by marcbvtgm at 7/20/2026, 2:53:15 PM
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VT ChemE 1986
But I was told he was a lousy player by the experts on this board….
Clearly, CMY is an excellent judge of talent. They don't always reach their peak while they are at VT, but they eventually blossom. ** Edited by VT ChemE 1986 at 7/19/2026, 10:40:04 AM ** Edited by VT ChemE 1986 at 7/19/2026, 11:39:41 AM
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GCHokie34
What you were told was...
Camden had good qualities that weren't able to be used until he developed the ability to stay on the floor (i.e. defend well enough to not get exposed) and that VT could only wait so long before he developed those traits Tyler Nickel coming to VT was a nail in the coffin for Camden because they were the same player but Nickel did the things Camden does at a higher level. It wasnt a matter of Camden was always going to be a bad player, it was that he didn't develop in the timeline needed and VT needed to move on...much like Patrick Wessler. Camden moved on to a place where he could play through his mistakes it made him a better player.
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atlhokie1
Glad Wessler landed in a good spot.
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VT ChemE 1986
Be careful instructing others. I know exactly
“What I was told”. Let’s just leave it at that.
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ancient alien 2018
So, who are your experts that gave you your information?
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GCHokie34
And I know what Ive said on Camden
If youre talking about other people, then by all means. But youre not gonna create a caricature of something you believe I said
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VT ChemE 1986
Who said I was referring to you?
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GCHokie34
Then...listen to people who have more experience and told you differently
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VT ChemE 1986
I don't have to listen to you are anybody else.
Those days are over......
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GCHokie34
You absolutely dont have to
Just expect pushback when you claim people told you something different than reality You've chosen not to listen to people with experience in the industry and youre also choosing to dunk on some fictional list of experts who you say told you differently So either these people youve yet to identify are not experts or youre misrepresenting what you were told...it genuinely doesnt matter to me which but until you identify who these claims are about I get to choose to show it certainly wasnt me
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VT ChemE 1986
If it doesn't matter, why do you keep talking?
The people on this board to not need to be educated or schooled. I have purposefully penned my posts as stopping points. There is no need for you to respond. There is no attack. No question. You just seem absolutely compelled to have the last word.
Stork Stork
Understatement of the century.
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GCHokie34
Your reply 2 replies ago was a literal question to me...
Takes 2 to tango
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VT ChemE 1986
I rest my case....
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VT ChemE 1986
There are a lot of so-called experts on this board.
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VTFuzz
It seems like everyone looks for this "gotcha" moment with VT
Like somehow CMY and VT's staff has no clue what they are doing and this is their first time making roster decisions. The player Camden is today is not even close to the same guy that wore a VT uniform. Camden was a good shooter but I vividly remember how bad his defense was. Glad he's developed and hope he has continued success.
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GCHokie34
Its precisely why my advice to any and all athletes...
Is "go where youre needed, not just where youre wanted" If you are relied upon for minutes then 2 things happen: 1) your development is directly tied to the success of the team/coach/program. You will be given every opportunity to improve and develop. 2) the vast majority of mistakes made on the basketball court are only fixed through experience. Not practice experience. Not individual workouts. Game experience. Being relied upon to work through your issues while playing makes you better. If you want to be the best possible basketball player you can be, go somewhere youll be on the floor as soon as possible. If you want to tell your friends you went to the highest level possible, then settle for your highest offer. But dont be surprised when the unranked recruit goes to Belmont and ultimately makes it to the NBA while you sat the bench for 3 years
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lazarus1
CMY is a good judge of talent
but not sure he's great at developing it.
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atlhokie1
Problem with NIL is that they are gone so fast they can't get developed.
VT isn't spending enough to keep them here.
grtmmt grtmmt OP
Yes seems to happen a lot
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mghokie
His reputation was a a shooter early in his college career. Scoring
points, given the opportunity, would not be his shortfall.