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Stech OP
Feb 07, 2024 at 08:56 AM ET
TV merge why P2 r getting together w/o others, the NCAA endorsed break away
Now the question is what happens to basketball most of all, but other sports too. Do they? 1) Break away the P-2 completely with all sports and leave what’s left for the NCAA to run? 2) Or do they just expand the NCAA tournament to about 96, and the NCAA gets the money for the first rounds and they distribute it like they do now through out non revenue sports and different Divisions? However, the Sweet 16 goes to the participating schools and is paid off like the football playoff money. I am sure the NCAA wants number 2, but it would not surprise me if the networks and streamers want number 1. You also have the NLRB Dartmouth decisions on athletes being employees and unionizing like NFL players happening yesterday too. What percentage do you give these two scenarios? Or do you think there is a 3rd option, if so, what is it?

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HokieAl HokieAl
The contracts are too complex and long termed for a break away
At least in the near term. The consolidated streaming service is interesting because it covers a huge portion of college sports. The only college sport outliers are the part of BIG under CBS, ND under NBC, and part of the NCAA tournament under CBS. There is still a lot of complexity and competition across the pro sports. But for college sports, this new proposed streaming will cover >80% of the schools out there. So from a media perspective, they almost have what they want for a captive audience. I think the labor laws will be the tipping point for whatever happens next around the P2. If all schools (public and private) are considered to have athletes as employees then it likely leads to a tiered model in the general spirit of what the NCAA proposed recently. Let schools decide what level of spending they want to compete at. Then football contracts get separated out from general conference contracts but the conferences themselves continue to exist.
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Stech OP
Just did a lead post asking that question above, good answer, especially
without seeing the question. 😁
Old Line Hokie Old Line Hokie
I think the Big 10 and SEC...
want a new D-1 semi-pro pay for play division (Power 2) for football only. The P-4 leftovers and G-5 conferences will play for their own football championship (like FCS does). I think the P-2 would like men's basketball to be pay for play but it just wouldn't work since their are many non-Power 2 conference teams and mid-major teams that play high level men's basketball. I just don't think a men's basketball tournament with 34 to 48 P-2 schools would be profitable ratings-wise. No ACC, no Big 12, no Big East ... would make for a dud of a tournament. The question is, would the P-2 invite some of the better football programs from the ACC and Big 12 to join them for football only? How would TV money distribution for "football only" work?
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Big12 guy
I say call their bluff. You are right that they would like to separate
football (money) from the rest of college athletics, but I say, don't give it to them. Let them have their own basketball tournament, their own baseball world series, and their own Olympic sports. They want a monopoly on the football media money, and they seem to be in a position to pick and choose who they want to share that money with - I say...... To Hell With Them. Call their bluff. Let them play each other, and see how far that goes with the ratings. If the rest of football stopped scheduling them, they couldn't pad their wins, and people would lose interest.
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Truthahn
The ACC should get the NCAA to hold a FB tournament.
Invite everyone to contribute their best teams that are not in the CFP. Essentially just organizing the remaining bowls into a tournament. I think eventually that would overwhelm the CFP, just like how the NIT was overwhelmed by the NCAA tournament for basketball.
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Big12 guy
Yep. how about a tournament that has all of the conference champions,
and 6 at large. Of course you could tweak that, keep it at the top 6 conference champions, and 10 at large - or somewhere in between. Put it out for bid right now, and let it start when the current contract is up. Run by the NCAA, and revenue is distributed to those that participate, by units, like the Basketball tournament. To hell with this 80% for the P conferences, and 20% for the rest. The BIG and SEC would dominate the at large bids, but they are not guaranteed anything. If the P conferences, or the P2 don't want to participate, then take the top conference champions, and the next 16 at large - and it would still command a lot of money. Let the two compete over time. many don't remember that the NIT was at one time the premiere tournament, and the national champion was decided in that tournament. The NCAA eventually took them over, and the roles were reversed. I know the arguments against it, and it will never happen, but it's time to reign in the P2. Those of us left behind in the B12, PAC, and eventually, the ACC need to unite and put the line in the sand. The P2 got their regular season money, but they don't have a "right" to the post season money.
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HouClone
Like the bluff idea but they will make a deal with the Big East.
They'll offer the Big East and minor conferences across the board lucrative money to join their basketball tournament. Big East, except UConn, doesn't have football so they won't worry about that. They'll invite Kansas and North Carolina (and maybe Duke too) to the Big 10 or SEC. That will be enough basketball brands that the bluffers will have to crater. Where it might be successful is if the Big 12, ACC, and Big East join forces with a financial contract ("alliance") in basketball, probably football, and maybe other sports. Not every contract is foolproof. The ACC has a near lock solid GOR and FSU is still challenging it.
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
WRT your statement that UConn is the only Big East school that sponsors
football, you are forgetting that Butler, Georgetown, and Villanova also sponsor football in the DI-FCS subdivision level. That may not change the P2's position on football with the Big East, but it could make things a little more tricky for the Big East to agree to any proposed agreement with the P2s. Especially if the rest of the NCAA (i.e. DI, DII, and DIII schools) decides to exclude all sports sponsored by the P2s. What will happen to the 4 football programs if the Big East is not allowed to participate in both groups? If those 4 schools are forced to leave the Big East because they are not willing to discontinue their football program, then would the P2s still be interested in doing an agreement with the Big East?
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ren_hoek
The Gamechickens would be included and Clemson would not. Utterly stupid
Is it so outrageous to include programs based on merits?!? USCjr has been nothing more than cannon fodder for their conference mates over their entire history, but they get a golden ticket. Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Rutgers, Maryland, Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, and others not named OSU, Michigan, Bama, Georgia, or LSU get to ride the coattails and be jobbers for the name schools in this ridiculous scheme.
VaTechHokiesACC VaTechHokiesACC
I doubt Clemson would get left out
Old Line Hokie Old Line Hokie
Agree. How long will it be before OSU, Michigan, Bama, Texas....
demand that Vandy, Northwestern, Rutgers, Maryland, Miss. State, USC-E, Minnesota,... take a lesser share since the SEC and Big 10 bluebloods are running the show? There are many ACC and Big 12 schools more deserving of P-2 membership than some of the existing P-2 schools. It is unfair and ridiculous.
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LonghornHokie
If the P2 succeed in breaking from the NCAA, that's only step 1 of the
ultimate strategy. At a certain point the top 32 or so blue bloods you mentioned from both (or alll) conference will align and form their own super league.
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Big12 guy
There are so many different ways one can separate the top 30-40
football programs, but so what? If they break away, will they be able to claim a true basketball national champion? Or any other college sport other than football? I think not. If they take the football money for themselves, why in the world would the rest of college athletics let them participate in anything else? The NCAA shares the tournament money with all of division 1 basketball programs, and the units are based on merit. If the college football playoffs can not do the same, and the P2 break football away? Let them have their cake, and eat it too. The rest of us will participate in college athletics.
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mancunian
I think the Pig 10 and the Swine-eastern Conference
would prefer to have their football split off and leave the NCAA running everything else.