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Has anybody really done the math?
So much has been written below about how adding Notre Dame to the Acc would make its long term survival more likely.
1. ESPN would open the contract, no doubt. But let's say the conference stays at 15. How much money would this truly add? 6-7 ND home games moves from NBC to ESPN. 5 million more per school? 25 million more per school?
2. Moving beyond the critical "identity" piece, what does Notre Dame surrender? What could be negotiated?
- non-Saturday home games are a huge problem for ND> Our fan base comes from across the country, most far from SBN. I travel 11 hours - That might be about average.
- because our fan base has to travel and stay near SBN overnight, we need to know our schedule way more in advance than January 31.
- ND gets drafted for night games almost all the time on the road. Is there any way to restrict this? Even our "close" fans have to get to Chicago and that ends up being 3 am.
- ND games would then fight for a spot on the mouse networks instead of a guaranteed slot on NBC - this is a net negative for our ACC opponents as well.
- Scheduling the ACC as a conference would be better off scheduling like we are scheduled. We play many of our ACC 5 give opponents more often than some of you play each other.
So what does ND gain by joining? Within shouting distance of B1g/SEC, say $60 million per year? I can't imagine that Phillips/Swarbrick/ESPN have not at least had that conversation.
But is there anything else?
- CFP access? TBD
- playing for a conference championship has some meaning. Our players would enjoy that. ND has been in the CFP conversation for five straight years. Having something to play for if we lose to Ohio St and Stanford by Oct 15 might add value. That BC game in November has way more panache if a trip to the ACC championship is on the line.
- weekly/yearly ACC honors for the players has some value to them especially in these NIL days
- the ACC games would be less of a "burden" and more interest.
What is the true value to having Notre Dame join the ACC for the ACC and Notre Dame?
Has anybody really done the math?
1. ESPN would open the contract, no doubt. But let's say the conference stays at 15. How much money would this truly add? 6-7 ND home games moves from NBC to ESPN. 5 million more per school? 25 million more per school?
2. Moving beyond the critical "identity" piece, what does Notre Dame surrender? What could be negotiated?
- non-Saturday home games are a huge problem for ND> Our fan base comes from across the country, most far from SBN. I travel 11 hours - That might be about average.
- because our fan base has to travel and stay near SBN overnight, we need to know our schedule way more in advance than January 31.
- ND gets drafted for night games almost all the time on the road. Is there any way to restrict this? Even our "close" fans have to get to Chicago and that ends up being 3 am.
- ND games would then fight for a spot on the mouse networks instead of a guaranteed slot on NBC - this is a net negative for our ACC opponents as well.
- Scheduling the ACC as a conference would be better off scheduling like we are scheduled. We play many of our ACC 5 give opponents more often than some of you play each other.
So what does ND gain by joining? Within shouting distance of B1g/SEC, say $60 million per year? I can't imagine that Phillips/Swarbrick/ESPN have not at least had that conversation.
But is there anything else?
- CFP access? TBD
- playing for a conference championship has some meaning. Our players would enjoy that. ND has been in the CFP conversation for five straight years. Having something to play for if we lose to Ohio St and Stanford by Oct 15 might add value. That BC game in November has way more panache if a trip to the ACC championship is on the line.
- weekly/yearly ACC honors for the players has some value to them especially in these NIL days
- the ACC games would be less of a "burden" and more interest.
What is the true value to having Notre Dame join the ACC for the ACC and Notre Dame?
Has anybody really done the math?
Posted: 01/25/2022 at 04:17 PM ET
Thread Replies (29)
Has anybody really done the math?
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-- PaNDalum
Jan 25, 2022 at 04:17 PM ET
PaNDalum
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01/25/22 04:17 PM ET
Great questions, I would love to know the answers.**
-- Stech
Jan 25, 2022 at 08:30 PM ET
Stech
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01/25/22 08:30 PM ET
Tech plays Notre Dame more than every football team in the ACC Atlantic...
-- Old Line Hokie
Jan 25, 2022 at 07:21 PM ET
Old Line Hokie
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01/25/22 07:21 PM ET
They are just another football team.
-- RTFC
Jan 26, 2022 at 08:26 PM ET
RTFC
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01/26/22 08:26 PM ET
ND isn't going to join a G5 conference. It will be the B1X
-- EDGEMAN
Jan 26, 2022 at 07:14 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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01/26/22 07:14 AM ET
Even if the Big Ten and SEC decide to treat the all athletes as employees?**
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 26, 2022 at 08:41 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/26/22 08:41 PM ET
Exactly, though I can see the SEC and B1G doing that and ND
-- RTFC
Jan 26, 2022 at 09:37 PM ET
RTFC
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01/26/22 09:37 PM ET
The "moral grounds" is an interesting position for Notre Dame to take
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 26, 2022 at 09:53 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/26/22 09:53 PM ET
So, God doesn't like football independents?
-- TerryD
Jan 27, 2022 at 03:59 PM ET
TerryD
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01/27/22 03:59 PM ET
I can't say what God does or doesn't like. Plus, I wouldn't assume
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 27, 2022 at 10:09 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/27/22 10:09 PM ET
Really thorough post... **
-- goldendomer
Jan 27, 2022 at 11:12 PM ET
goldendomer
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01/27/22 11:12 PM ET
Thanks. Like I have noted in a previous post, I don't have a problem
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 27, 2022 at 11:48 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/27/22 11:48 PM ET
The points you make are a struggle for me personally.
-- goldendomer
Jan 28, 2022 at 10:12 AM ET
goldendomer
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01/28/22 10:12 AM ET
I agree with the competing interest, we all have them, but usually survival
-- Stech
Jan 28, 2022 at 07:37 AM ET
Stech
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01/28/22 07:37 AM ET
I doubt ND would want the auto bid by adding Navy plus one
-- TerryD
Jan 28, 2022 at 12:20 PM ET
TerryD
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01/28/22 12:20 PM ET
You don't want any of this, I get it. As far as VT and ACC yes we would
-- Stech
Jan 29, 2022 at 11:01 AM ET
Stech
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01/29/22 11:01 AM ET
It would merely cause more anti-ND resentment...
-- TerryD
Jan 29, 2022 at 11:58 AM ET
TerryD
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01/29/22 11:58 AM ET
ACC wants to play you more, would be a move in the right direction for ACC.
-- Stech
Jan 29, 2022 at 12:10 PM ET
Stech
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01/29/22 12:10 PM ET
Side-note, our endowment leapt 7 billion that past year.
-- goldendomer
Jan 28, 2022 at 10:11 AM ET
goldendomer
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01/28/22 10:11 AM ET
Yes, I would agree with you that large of an endowment is insane
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 28, 2022 at 10:21 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/28/22 10:21 AM ET
The Catholic church has fought communism since it was unleashed on the
-- goldendomer
Jan 27, 2022 at 01:12 PM ET
goldendomer
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01/27/22 01:12 PM ET
And yet Notre Dame made the decision to join a conference for all
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 27, 2022 at 10:21 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/27/22 10:21 PM ET
Special dispensation- :)**
-- goldendomer
Jan 27, 2022 at 11:10 PM ET
goldendomer
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01/27/22 11:10 PM ET
Interesting choice of words :-)**
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 27, 2022 at 11:14 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/27/22 11:14 PM ET
Agree with all of that, precisely my point.**
-- RTFC
Jan 26, 2022 at 10:08 PM ET
RTFC
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01/26/22 10:08 PM ET
The math is a guess. In general it would add more games
-- goldendomer
Jan 25, 2022 at 07:04 PM ET
goldendomer
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01/25/22 07:04 PM ET
ACC would also get whatever the updated market value is
-- daveinop
Jan 27, 2022 at 02:45 PM ET
daveinop
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01/27/22 02:45 PM ET
I feel like ESPN/ABC picking up that SEC piece from CBS and adding OU/TU
-- reestuart
Jan 25, 2022 at 04:54 PM ET
reestuart
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01/25/22 04:54 PM ET
No ACC product to the ACC Network and RSN
-- Mercury
Jan 25, 2022 at 05:35 PM ET
Mercury
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01/25/22 05:35 PM ET
Yep. If the Big Ten doesn't move completely from ESPN/ABC, even the noon
-- reestuart
Jan 25, 2022 at 05:39 PM ET
reestuart
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01/25/22 05:39 PM ET