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Thanks. Like I have noted in a previous post, I don't have a problem
with Notre Dame's decision to hold fast to its position with football. Also, I do understand the business aspect of Notre Dame's decision and I don't blame the leadership for taking full advantage of it. From the spiritual aspect, I can even see why some people would consider it to be one of God's "blessings." Given that I'm Presbyterian, there is even a possibility I would feel that way if Presbyterian College ever found itself in the same position Notre Dame is in now even though I never attended the college.
At the same time, I probably would still have some spiritual related questions concerning Presbyterian's "success" and "good fortune" particularly after the behavior of the leadership at Liberty became public knowledge. In Liberty's case, I already had some knowledge about the leadership from my days at VT ('96-'00) because 1 of my roommates was from "Jerry's Town" (aka Lynchburg). He told me his experiences while growing up there which only confirmed my suspicions about Jerry Falwell and the other top leaders at Liberty.
Also, I grew up in a city with 2 DIII religious schools in the area; Eastern Mennonite University and Bridgewater College (Church of the Brethren). So I got to see how their faith influenced a lot of decisions they made in both academics and athletics. At least the leadership at both schools seemed to try to make decisions that aligned with the school's affiliation even if the person had a different Christian faith.
Now I do believe that Notre Dame's leadership, past and present, has tried to do the same that I believe is happening at EMU and Bridgewater College. At the same time, given how much money seems to be available to be made in college athletics these days, it does make me wonder at what point does a school, religious or secular, go from making enough money to fulfill the school's mission to a school that is just being "greedy." I know God is the only one who truly knows that answer and it is likely that I will never know the answer. I'm at peace with that mindset. However, I am finding the lack of information makes it a little challenging to form an opinion on whether I would prefer to see VT remain with the power conferences and chase after more money vs. join a G5 conference because the pursuit of more money is being driven by "greed" and it will only lead to more problems or an increase in potentially unethical decisions that go against VT's core values.
At the same time, I probably would still have some spiritual related questions concerning Presbyterian's "success" and "good fortune" particularly after the behavior of the leadership at Liberty became public knowledge. In Liberty's case, I already had some knowledge about the leadership from my days at VT ('96-'00) because 1 of my roommates was from "Jerry's Town" (aka Lynchburg). He told me his experiences while growing up there which only confirmed my suspicions about Jerry Falwell and the other top leaders at Liberty.
Also, I grew up in a city with 2 DIII religious schools in the area; Eastern Mennonite University and Bridgewater College (Church of the Brethren). So I got to see how their faith influenced a lot of decisions they made in both academics and athletics. At least the leadership at both schools seemed to try to make decisions that aligned with the school's affiliation even if the person had a different Christian faith.
Now I do believe that Notre Dame's leadership, past and present, has tried to do the same that I believe is happening at EMU and Bridgewater College. At the same time, given how much money seems to be available to be made in college athletics these days, it does make me wonder at what point does a school, religious or secular, go from making enough money to fulfill the school's mission to a school that is just being "greedy." I know God is the only one who truly knows that answer and it is likely that I will never know the answer. I'm at peace with that mindset. However, I am finding the lack of information makes it a little challenging to form an opinion on whether I would prefer to see VT remain with the power conferences and chase after more money vs. join a G5 conference because the pursuit of more money is being driven by "greed" and it will only lead to more problems or an increase in potentially unethical decisions that go against VT's core values.
Thread Replies (29)
Has anybody really done the math?
-- PaNDalum
Jan 25, 2022 at 04:17 PM ET
PaNDalum
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01/25/22 04:17 PM ET
Great questions, I would love to know the answers.**
-- Stech
Jan 25, 2022 at 08:30 PM ET
Stech
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01/25/22 08:30 PM ET
Tech plays Notre Dame more than every football team in the ACC Atlantic...
-- Old Line Hokie
Jan 25, 2022 at 07:21 PM ET
Old Line Hokie
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01/25/22 07:21 PM ET
They are just another football team.
-- RTFC
Jan 26, 2022 at 08:26 PM ET
RTFC
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01/26/22 08:26 PM ET
ND isn't going to join a G5 conference. It will be the B1X
-- EDGEMAN
Jan 26, 2022 at 07:14 AM ET
EDGEMAN
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01/26/22 07:14 AM ET
Even if the Big Ten and SEC decide to treat the all athletes as employees?**
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 26, 2022 at 08:41 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/26/22 08:41 PM ET
Exactly, though I can see the SEC and B1G doing that and ND
-- RTFC
Jan 26, 2022 at 09:37 PM ET
RTFC
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01/26/22 09:37 PM ET
The "moral grounds" is an interesting position for Notre Dame to take
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 26, 2022 at 09:53 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/26/22 09:53 PM ET
So, God doesn't like football independents?
-- TerryD
Jan 27, 2022 at 03:59 PM ET
TerryD
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01/27/22 03:59 PM ET
I can't say what God does or doesn't like. Plus, I wouldn't assume
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 27, 2022 at 10:09 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/27/22 10:09 PM ET
Really thorough post... **
-- goldendomer
Jan 27, 2022 at 11:12 PM ET
goldendomer
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01/27/22 11:12 PM ET
Thanks. Like I have noted in a previous post, I don't have a problem
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-- VTHokie2000
Jan 27, 2022 at 11:48 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/27/22 11:48 PM ET
The points you make are a struggle for me personally.
-- goldendomer
Jan 28, 2022 at 10:12 AM ET
goldendomer
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01/28/22 10:12 AM ET
I agree with the competing interest, we all have them, but usually survival
-- Stech
Jan 28, 2022 at 07:37 AM ET
Stech
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01/28/22 07:37 AM ET
I doubt ND would want the auto bid by adding Navy plus one
-- TerryD
Jan 28, 2022 at 12:20 PM ET
TerryD
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01/28/22 12:20 PM ET
You don't want any of this, I get it. As far as VT and ACC yes we would
-- Stech
Jan 29, 2022 at 11:01 AM ET
Stech
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01/29/22 11:01 AM ET
It would merely cause more anti-ND resentment...
-- TerryD
Jan 29, 2022 at 11:58 AM ET
TerryD
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01/29/22 11:58 AM ET
ACC wants to play you more, would be a move in the right direction for ACC.
-- Stech
Jan 29, 2022 at 12:10 PM ET
Stech
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01/29/22 12:10 PM ET
Side-note, our endowment leapt 7 billion that past year.
-- goldendomer
Jan 28, 2022 at 10:11 AM ET
goldendomer
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01/28/22 10:11 AM ET
Yes, I would agree with you that large of an endowment is insane
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 28, 2022 at 10:21 AM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/28/22 10:21 AM ET
The Catholic church has fought communism since it was unleashed on the
-- goldendomer
Jan 27, 2022 at 01:12 PM ET
goldendomer
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01/27/22 01:12 PM ET
And yet Notre Dame made the decision to join a conference for all
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 27, 2022 at 10:21 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/27/22 10:21 PM ET
Special dispensation- :)**
-- goldendomer
Jan 27, 2022 at 11:10 PM ET
goldendomer
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01/27/22 11:10 PM ET
Interesting choice of words :-)**
-- VTHokie2000
Jan 27, 2022 at 11:14 PM ET
VTHokie2000
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01/27/22 11:14 PM ET
Agree with all of that, precisely my point.**
-- RTFC
Jan 26, 2022 at 10:08 PM ET
RTFC
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01/26/22 10:08 PM ET
The math is a guess. In general it would add more games
-- goldendomer
Jan 25, 2022 at 07:04 PM ET
goldendomer
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01/25/22 07:04 PM ET
ACC would also get whatever the updated market value is
-- daveinop
Jan 27, 2022 at 02:45 PM ET
daveinop
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01/27/22 02:45 PM ET
I feel like ESPN/ABC picking up that SEC piece from CBS and adding OU/TU
-- reestuart
Jan 25, 2022 at 04:54 PM ET
reestuart
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01/25/22 04:54 PM ET
No ACC product to the ACC Network and RSN
-- Mercury
Jan 25, 2022 at 05:35 PM ET
Mercury
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01/25/22 05:35 PM ET
Yep. If the Big Ten doesn't move completely from ESPN/ABC, even the noon
-- reestuart
Jan 25, 2022 at 05:39 PM ET
reestuart
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01/25/22 05:39 PM ET