LeBron to the 76ers. Dang it! If we only had enough NIL!! π
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He drained too much money out of the Lakers and starved their ability to surround him with a deep roster. Now he is leaving the Sixers with room to have more talent around him. He already has money. Now he wants rings and legacy.
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VTFuzz
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but I don't see how winning a title with a loaded sixers team helps his legacy. Yes, he has another ring on the resume but I feel like I could join that team and they would still make a deep run.
In my eyes it hurts his legacy more than it cements it.
(In response to this post by UpperQuad)
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I'm an MJ guy, always will be. But Lebron James winning a title at 42 years old still being highly productive will most certainly add to his legacy. It's absurd to not think it does. I think the best player ever isn't a longevity award, again I'm an MJ guy but keep in mind that LeBron is going to be 42 years old this basketball season and Michael Jordan was 38 and 39 during his Wizards years not putting up 41 year old Lebron numbers. What he's doing is pure greatness and it's only adding to it...
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I agree that winning a title, or really having any impact on success at his age, is an amazing accomplishment and one that may never be repeated. My point is that IMO the spectacle of him doing those things is lessened by the way he does it - jumping from team to team when he can't win, the team faces adversity, etc. It's the biggest knock on his illustrious career and this further solidifies those sentiments.
Comparing MJ's age/path/role/burden at age 39 to the Wizards vs LeBron's to the Sixers (thru Cleveland, Miami, LA) is apples and oranges.
(In response to this post by BG Hokie)
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I don't think you know what the word "objectively" actually means. I think you mean to say "I strongly disagree with this take and have good reasons to support my view."
Regardless, you're right that LeBron is a physical marvel. But don't forget he plays in the era of load management. Look at how many times Jordan played 80-82 regular season games. It's insane. Nonetheless, LeBron's longevity is ridiculous.
However, there is something to be said for sticking with a single franchise in the pursuit of championships (Bird, Magic, Kobe, Isaiah, Duncan, Steph, MJ (essentially)). It makes players less appealing when they are quick to jump from franchise to franchise -- always looking to join a better situation rather than BUILD the better situation where they are. There's something admirable about the toil of building a championship team. Taking your lumps, inching forward, until you're ready to win it all. This is just my opinion (not an objective fact). It's why -- as good as KD is -- he's rarely mentioned among the all-time greats (even though he is one of the most unstoppable offensive players of all-time). It's why many people roll their eyes at LeBron going to his fifth franchise in search of more rings. He's entering season 24 and still trails MJ by two rings. IDK, it just seems like maybe staying put and building a roster is better than joining another super team. Again, just my opinion.
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you wrote because I think you're an asshoe. I spelled asshoe like that on purpose too.
(In response to this post by Pride_and_Joy)
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I actually agreed with a good big of what you wrote about Lebron. But you really did horribly mis-use the word "objectively."
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2hhoop3
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as a competitor and winner. Lebron is a physical marvel. To do what he has done, for as long and effectively as he has done it, is mindboggling. Greatness can take multiple forms.
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I know in baseball free agents typically will say they WANT to go somewhere and win a World Series, but they always wind up going to whoever offers the most money, which may or may not be the best chance to win it all. And people tend to look down at them for chasing the bucks.
But in basketball it seems like players are looked down at not for chasing the most bucks but for wanting to win????? I'm not an NBA fan but it sure seems bass ackwards to me.
(In response to this post by Pride_and_Joy)
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two in their career. Most, by default, like the things the way they were during their formative years and can't wrap their heads around it being different.
(In response to this post by SteveInBaltimore)
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It's that it's more admirable to toil and struggle on the way to greatness than it is to take the easy route of joining another super team. It's as simple as that. The most rewarding things in life are those that are difficult to achieve. It's why I have more respect for Steph's first and last championships than the two he won when KD joined the Warriors.
Do you have more admiration for the millionaire who grew up with nothing and built a business through blood, sweat, and tears, or the person who simply inherited their money? I realize it isn't a perfect analogy. LeBron is an all-time great -- and that's a function of his talent, genetics, and hard work -- but joining another super team is a bit like an inheritance rather than toiling to build the business.
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Doesn't always work
You still got to out there and win it.
(In response to this post by SteveInBaltimore)
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the sum of the parts. The 76ers are going to have a lot of very talented players but with the announcement that LeBron will play point guard for them, it does create some questions:
First, at 41, LeBron may slow the offense and hold the ball while surveying. Do Maxey and Edgecombe too often become spectators?
Second, Maxey is the only established starter who combines major three-point volume, above-average accuracy and genuine off-the-dribble shooting gravity. Brown and Edgecombe are respectable but somewhat helpable; LeBron is clearly helpable; and Embiidβs perimeter shooting comes with an opportunity cost. So while Philadelphia has several credible shooters, the composition of players can create a spacing issue. There may only be one player whom playoff defenses will be genuinely afraid to leave anywhere beyond the arc.
Third, Embiid likes touches that allow him to survey and isolate. LeBron also likes to manipulate the defense deliberately. Will their combined pace become stagnant?
Fourth, Brown will be required to dramatically reduce his usage (after carrying Boston last year). Will he want to do this?
Finally, LeBron will initiate, but who takes the defining shotβEmbiid, Maxey, Brown or LeBron? Will they have cohesion and alignment on how to handle late-game situations? Will ego or perceived status become an issue?
(In response to this post by VaTechHokiesACC)
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A lot of fans like athletes who stay with one team for a long stretch and are identified with that team. Bird and Russell with the Celtics, Magic with the Lakers, Jordan with the Bulls, Duncan with the Spurs, Stockton and Malone with the Jazz, Olajuwon with the Rockets, Frazier and Ewing with the Knicks, Thomas with the Pistons, Curry with the Warriors. Lebron is a great player, but people view him as a mercenary.
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SC_Hokie
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76ers wonβt win squat.
East is stacked and if they do make it through, they will face the thunder or the Spurs.
Not sure if there has ever been more talent in the East.
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I disagree. This Sixer team is legit.
(In response to this post by SC_Hokie)
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Celtics, Philly, Bucks, Pistons, Nets, and the Knicks were all good.
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SC_Hokie
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76ers LeBron, Embidd, Maxey, and Brown is the most talent on one team since Curry, Green, Durant, and Klay.
Knicks are defending champs with Jalen Brunson and KAT
Miami has Giannis and Bam adebayo
Pistons are coming off being #1 seed with Cade and Duren
Orlando has Banchero and Wagner
Cavs have Donovan Mitchell, washed harden, Mobley, and Allen
Celtics have Tatum
Thereβs way more depth too. But it might be close.
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But I think you're right. There are a lot of good teams in the East -- several of whom have multiple true stars.
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