The ACC hates us- LOL
There is hope still!
** Edited by goldendomer at 5/12/2026, 12:04:32 PM
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The ACC is dead man walking. This conference will either not be around in 4 years, or it will be a bastardized hybrid G5 like the new Pac 12.
And, lest anyone point out scheduling difficulties - if UConn can compile a football schedule every year, then so can Notre Dame. If it ends up full of garbage teams every year, who cares? They'll just win all their games then go to the CFP every single year. Do you think anyone who works, plays, or roots for ND will lose a single second of sleep over that?
Notre Dame doesn't give a rat's ass about its continued relationship with the ACC. It could end tomorrow, and it would be little more than a mild inconvenience for them, if that.
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2mo
super league for football that gets formed in the early 2030s, this belief is based on no information whatsover.
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The ACC would not be a dead man walking and rhe entire P2 landscape would be changed. At this point i would prefer a Mag 7 breakoff anyway with no association with ND.
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1) ND is not going to join the ACC, or any conference, for football....ever.
2) ND joining the ACC in full would do little to "save" the ACC.
ND would take a big haircut if it simply joined. ND currently gets $50 million a year from NBC and $20-22 million a year from ESPN.
How much would ESPN pay ND if it joined? More than $70-72 million a year? No? Yes? If so, how much?
If ND kept the NBC deal/money and joined, it would make very a bit more, but not much.
The ACC would make very little from ND joining in full. It already gets 2.5-3 away ND games a year.
Joining in full, but letting ND keep the NBC deal (the only way ND joining makes any math sense at all), would only add a couple of more games for ABC/ESPN.
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"most favored nation" clause in the CFP bylaws - they're automatically in with a top 12 ranking, and now that it's definitely expanding to 16-24 teams in the field, they have less than zero reason to ever join a conference. Frankly, with that expansion, they have very little reason to stay affiliated with the ACC at all.
So, anyone with the ACC that is counting on ND for anything at all may as well crap in one hand and wish in the other, because I guarantee the folks running the show at ND are, at this very moment, planning and greasing up the wheels to end their affiliation with the conference and transition to another arrangement that is more lucrative to their football interests, because being contractually forced to play away games vs. programs like Wake Forest and SMU is currently an anchor hanging around their leg.
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Until then, they'll park their non-revenue sports in the ACC and give us 5 football games per year.
They make as much as any B1X school now, so money isn't a factor forcing their hand into a conference.
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Money?
No. According to the latest EADA filing, ND was #3 in the country in athletic revenues, even without football in a conference.
Playoffs?
Heck no, especially at 24.
Bowls?
Bowls are dying. It will playoffs or bust from now on.
Scheduling?
USC is going to be an annual opponent again.
Michigan/ND are currently in talks to renew their annual series. A home/home for 2033-34 is already scheduled.
Navy is annual. Stanford may end up a long term annual opponent
ND has future home/home series scheduled against Texas, Alabama, Auburn, Indiana and a single remaining game v. Arkansas.
Clemson and ND signed a twelve years annual series, starting in 2027.
Scheduling will not be a problem going forward, especially if the playoff go to 24. Cowards like Lincoln Riley will then be rare.
Anything else?
** Edited by TerryD at 5/16/2026, 12:36:23 PM
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2mo
I hope ND stays INDY. I hope WVU to ACC. Play VT and Pitt. I hope Nebraska to the SEC and plays OU Black Friday. I hope PSU plays Pitt same day. I hope for so much it will not happen. ND can stay Indy all they desire. I just hope if ACC survives ND leaves for Big East. ND has great advantages. I hope ND stays INDY. I hope WVU to ACC. Play VT and Pitt. I hope Nebraska to the SEC and plays OU Black Friday. I hope PSU plays Pitt same day. I hope for so much it will not happen. ND can stay Indy all they desire. I just hope if ACC survives ND leaves for Big East. ND has great advantages. They have great athletes. Football has not won a Natty in what? A very long time.
You look at some of ND other sports....
MBB --terrible
WBB--Top notch
Softball and Baseball terrible
Like UVa. I am sure ND is solid in some the other club sports.
All in all for all the coin. ND not all that.
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2mo
The goal of the CFP is to make money. You make money by selling advertising. You sell more advertising when you can demonstrate that more people are watching. Lots of people watch ND football. The CFP WANTS ND in the field every year.
** Edited by Baltimore_Hokie at 5/14/2026, 10:08:28 AM
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but, a review of their ratings history would likely reveal that they are a diminishing draw and brand, undeserving of the attention and clout their former history once commanded. Forcing them into a conference, in the eyes of some, creates an additional playoff spot for the P2 currently reserved for ND's conference of 1. I think the CFP is less married to the "gotta have ND" syndrome like most, outside of ND fans.
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..that ND won't be a playoff team if it joins a conference?
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you did. However, I think their road to the playoffs as a member of a conference, be it the B1G or SEC, would be more difficult than the layup they currently enjoy as a pseudo independent.
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I think that conference membership is irrelevant to being playoff worthy.
I also think that conference schedules are overrated as far as difficulty and that conferences are full of tomato can opponents, especially the Big Ten. (Rutgers, Maryland. Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, etc.)
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entirely different and are completely incapable of removing your blue and gold glasses to see reality as you have exhibited over the years time and time again on these boards. It is ironic you deride conference game opponents as tomato cans while ignoring that for the last 30 or more years ND has feasted on cherry picked opponents and benefitted from favorable rules and living on the last real accomplishments of their program that date back to Lou Holtz. Your schtick plays well with your fellow ND alums I am sure but, the general public saw through ND's smoke and mirrors long ago.
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And what is anyone going to do about what you typed?
Nobody. ***** on podcasts and message boards is about it. Nothing else.
BTW, any school is free to become a football independent if it is so easy and such an advantage ?
Why don't they?
ND is not doing anything that isn't freely available to anyone.
Have at it.
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that needs to be done. ND will continue to implode on its own and further expose the fraud they are. ND is the last independent and the gravy train they ride was paved all the way back to the early 1900s. No program, as the rules and landscape that currently exists, would follow the independent path. ND continues because of the favoritism they still enjoy despite their mediocrity of the last 3 plus decades. You and your ilk are a dying breed and at some point in the future the devotion of the ND fan base to independence will die, likely sooner rather than later if their performance continues to be devoid of actual accomplishment.
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IF that is "mediocrity", then what do you call the 124 or so teams below it in FBS?
What was VT's comparable record the last decade?
ND fans have been called a "dying breed" since 1990.
You need new material.
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ND and whether it deserves and has earned the current favoritism and seat at the table it currently occupied and is trying to claim for the future. VT has been worse than mediocre in the last decade but, it doesn't make the fraudulent claims to standing that ND continues to make largely based on the days of Rockne and Parseghian. An average record for the decade of 10-3 for ND is mediocre compared to its history and that is before looking at the actual quality of its wins and the competitiveness of its losses. My material is fine and you continue to slap as much lipstick on that pig as you wish but, it will still be a pig.
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That "pig" may likely be favored to win it all this year.
That "pig" is killing it in recruiting right now.
What will you say if ND wins it all?
You will have to come up with a new schtick.
Stay tuned.
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actually wins one I will give it it's due. Until then, I will keep calling it and its delusional fans out. Next year is a cry exceeding 30+ years now.
** Edited by 2hhoop3 at 5/18/2026, 11:27:46 AM
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"owners" of the CFP.
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the P2s than when Notre Dame is in the field, then it may be enough to change their position. Remember the P2s did a hostile takeover of the CFP, so now they are basically running the show. A byproduct of the takeover is the P2s may no longer need unanimous consent from all 11 owners to make a change to the CFP or how the LLC (aka the non-profit organization that "owns" the CFP) operates. If they still need unanimous consent, then the P2s just use the threat of leaving and taking the CFP with them to force the other owners (including Notre Dame) to vote their way.
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The ACC could easily lose the Mag 7 and with ESPN making half the bank on the ACCN, they just grab the 4 corners, WVU Cincy, UCF and USF and they blow away the B12.
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the B12 had dreadful TV ratings last year, so they probably not going to do great $ wise in the next TV contract window because hardly anybody is watching them- the B12's most viewed regular season game last year was TCU/UNC, which was the 50th most viewed game and had nothing to do with TCU. The B12CG got good ratings, but they also had the 12PM window with no competition, which is now the ACC's timeslot and may be a look into the future- no matter what happens with these future TV deals, the ACC and ESPN are locked together for another 10 years. I'm guessing that if ESPN had their choice, they'd much rather pay for an ACC without some of the Mag 7 and the best of the B12 than pay for both conferences separately.
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2mo
But the B12 is way worse.
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2mo
Why is everyone on here laboring under the impression that ESPN gives a **** about the ACC? I think sometimes ya'll are living in a different reality.
ESPN is actively denigrating the product every single day in their aggressive promotion of the SEC. When the ACC implodes, Disney/ESPN will just shrug their shoulders and move on. They're not going to pay Utah to move to the ACC. And, why would Utah move to the ACC to play football against a bunch of tomato cans and G5 also rans? And, please stop bringing up the ACC Network. Who cares about the ACC Network? ESPN has promoted a million products that are now defunct. The ACC Network will just be next in that line. Frankly, I think Hollywood accounting is the only way they're able to even claim it turns a profit now, much less when all the good football programs bolt.
People posting on here about how the ACC is going to do this and that and thrive and survive sound like the people that thought Movie Pass was going to change the film industry and be around forever. Lots of wishful thinking going on in the face of harsh reality.
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There's plenty of recent record/activity to point to when speculating on this.
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They are still stuck in a G5 conference and would likely be the most open to a new home. But they would likely push for the B12 first if the ACC lost the Mag 7 teams and the ESPN value dropped.
ACC football is playing squid game right now. There is no guarantee that they will survive or for how long.
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schools leave, the value the conference would drop. But that doesn't mean the payout will drop immediately. That's a huge difference.
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schools too. Football is where the most money comes from as you have reported repeatedly. I also think some of the Mag 7 will go to 🦊B10, 🐭ESPN will likely IMHO want to make up for those losses. However, we are all guessing, no one knows, but I usually bet on where the money would come from, and football by far brings the most money.
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2mo
I dont see the Big East or Big 12 as viable options for many reasons. 9 game league schedules are going to be difficult to schedule around going forward.
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If the only alternative to full Big Ten membership is to join the Big East, then that fits the bill just fine.
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Been there, done that...got the t-shirt.
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I believe ND makes ~$20M annually from the ACC TV deal. The new Big East TV deal pays out around $7.5M annually. Is TerryD stroking an eight figure check to make up the difference? :-)
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2mo
That contract would be immediately renegotiated, and ND would most likely get close to or at the same amount annually that they get from the ACC deal for their non-football catalogue.
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I don't think they're *THAT* valuable. And the Big East derives no benefit from ND football. If a Big East with UConn, Villanova, Georgetown, and whoever else they have just got $7.5M/year annually on their new deal, I don't see the addition of Notre Dame increasing that figure by much.
In fact, given the tremendous success of their men's and women's basketball programs, I'd argue today that UConn without football is more valuable than Notre Dame without football.
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2mo
Even Notre Dame's non-football sports have tremendous value. They are a true love them or hate them brand. A lot of people really want to see them win, and even more people really love to see them lose. Yes, football is the primary product, but the sheer amount of hate that people have for Notre Dame and the joy they get in seeing them lose is so unadulterated and concentrated that it bleeds into everything they compete at.
UConn will never achieve that kind of brand value. I don't like it, but that's the way it is, and that's why Notre Dame gets the "very special little boy" treatment they get from everyone that deals with them.
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Notre Dame receives approximately $50M annually from new NBC deal for football only. Now the conventional wisdom is that football accounts for 80% of media rights value and the rest of sports make up the other 20%, which would peg ND's bball/non-revenue valuation at $12.5M, but I don't think that conventional wisdom is directly applicable in ND's case, since their football brand is probably top-3 in the country, while their b-ball/non-revenue are closer to the middle of the pack in the P4. So maybe around $10M, which is more than I would've originally guessed, but still well short of the $20M they get from the ACC annually.
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2mo
Let's just set aside your "back of the envelope math." We're talking about a scenario where the best football programs leave the ACC, and what ND would do in that case - do you really think ND is still going to get a $20M payout from the ACC for its non-revs in that scenario? Where's that money going to come from?
I think the group of you that think everything is going to be sunshine and rainbows for the ACC need to peek in literally anywhere that the commentariat doesn't have a vested interest in praying night and day for the conference's continued relevance. It's not a good prognosis.
We are in the "latter days of the old Big East" phase right now, today, where the only glue holding the conference together is the threat of litigation. The conference has already started taking on schools that don't help the overall football/basketball brand, don't add any real, actual value (get mad all you want at this statement, the only reason the ACC got any extra money from Disney for SMU and CalFord was entirely contractual,) and make no real sense. The brands that create all the football value are clearly unhappy, have no real interest in retaining conference membership except monetary penalties, and would do pretty much anything to get out tomorrow if they could. By 2029-2030, the road blocks currently keeping anyone from leaving become pretty much nominal, which just coincidentally also happens to coincide with media rights negotiations for other conferences. We're literally just sitting around waiting for the final domino to fall here.
And, let me just be clear: I'm not implying that VT is the golden goose of the ACC. VT can spend money, VT can compete if it actually tries, and people will watch VT when they're good. But, I do have a pretty good bead on what VT's actual value is, and the current iteration of the ACC is not compatible. As I've said on here for some time now, I don't think the major football brands in the ACC are P2 bound, at least not most of them. I think there's going to be a consolidation of certain football brands that makes monetary and geographic sense in a new conference.
** Edited by Baltimore_Hokie at 5/14/2026, 10:35:50 AM
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2mo
mashup? That's been floated a few times, not a bad idea, I'd be ok with it assuming conferences are still a thing by the early-mid 2030s.
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The P2 is already too big and unwieldly, but, on the other hand, you also have a situation where Vanderbilt is making 30 million more dollars a year for their media rights than Florida State for absolutely no reason other than conference affiliation, which is an untenable situation if you're Florida State or similarly situated. Schools like Florida State have to do something, and the obvious answer is to entirely stop subsidizing Wake Forest, Boston College, SMU, Cal, Stanford, etc. At this juncture, the only way to really accomplish that without joining the SEC or Big 10 is to branch off and do your own thing, which makes sense if you really think about it. Disney is not paying the ACC so they can broadcast contest involving Wake Forest, Boston College, SMU, Cal, Stanford, etc. They are paying to they can broadcast FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, VT, etc., but all that money gets pooled and split up. If you separate the wheat from the chaff, the valuation really doesn't go down that much, and the wheat doesn't have to share with the chaff.
For ****s and giggles, I'm picturing something that would look like this:
FSU
Utah
Clemson
TCU
Miami
Texas Tech
UNC
Oklahoma State
VT
Arizona State
NC State
Iowa State
Louisville
WVU
Georgia Tech
Kansas State
No divisions. If a 9 game conference schedule is a must, add Colorado and Pitt to the list.
** Edited by Baltimore_Hokie at 5/15/2026, 11:00:00 AM
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Stanford, they could be big time if they choose to; SMU as well. But yeah, I'm thinking something like this is a real possibility.
I think Saban let the cat out of the bag on Gameday last year when he referenced a 30 team superleague. The top of the SEC and Big 10 would have no problem with jettisoning the bottom of their respective conferences.
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archaic way they do conference scheduling now and transition to a new dynamic merit-based scheduling system that promotes engagement/interest. In an 18 team league, I imagine they would move to a 3-3-3 tiered matrix and compile the schedules utilizing a sort of promotion/relegation system between tiers based upon the last year's or last 2 year's conference play results. They could even keep the last week open as a "flex week," using live standings to pit #1 vs. #2, #3 vs. #4, and so on, and so forth. No championship game, just give the crown based upon final standings. Oh, teams play each other multiple times, or the successful teams play the other successful teams and that's hard/not fair? Who cares, that's the old way of thinking. Market them as grudge matches between heavyweights. Promote it like professional wrestling. Eyeballs/discussion are the only goal.
The entire idea would be to create compelling football content for TV, with all the old rules and ways going right out the window if they're not in service of that end goal. The rest would take care of itself.
** Edited by Baltimore_Hokie at 5/15/2026, 11:32:46 AM
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If the ACC/ND deal collapsed, ND would need to move its minor sports, including basketball, somewhere.
It won't be the Big Ten. That is a non-starter. So, it would likely be the Big East by default.
Ten or twelve million a year would be made up by lots of donors, not just by me. Lol.
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giving up football. To much money in it. I also see them inviting some B12 teams since ESPN has the ACC Channel and makes plenty of money off of it, and the B12 doesn't.
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I could see the loss of a couple teams, but don't see all of the football teams leaving.
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knows exactly what will happen.
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The bottom of the conference teams are usually put on the ACCN routinely in football. Plus, ESPN is probably not making money off the minor sports being shown. ACCN was born from an extended GOR and after the low ball, and ACC accepting, ESPN offer for the main ESPN media package. Once teams leave the ACC, I expect ESPN will try to find a way legally to dump the ACCN.
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the Spurtle. :-)
On a more serious note, ESPN's decision to either keep or dump the ACCN may depend on 2 things:
1. Which schools decide to leave the ACC; and
2. Who the ACC decides to add to replace them.
If the ACC decides to "get back to its roots" by becoming a basketball conference that attempts to play football in Fall, then ESPN may see value in keeping the ACCN. It could also mean the ACC decided to raid the Big East again for its "best basketball schools."
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Georgetown, Butler, Villanova, UConn. Among these, only UConn is FBS. Better choices in The American Sun Belt, heck, even The MAC.
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that are strong in basketball and good in football too IMHO.
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The quote was along the lines of "It would have been great for Catholicism". I also dont buy ND being able to schedule 12 quality games every year especially after September without the ACC.
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My post was talking about options in a post-ACC/ND divorce.
The options may be Big East or Big Ten, all in.
Big East would win, no contest.
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do you not think ND wouldn't have schools lined up for such an agreement?
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There are rumblings about a renewal of the ND/Michigan series, as well.
So, current or possible annual ND opponents:
USC
Clemson
Navy
Stanford (if USC re-ups)?
Michigan?
BYU?
Texas?
We shall see.
** Edited by TerryD at 5/12/2026, 4:10:30 PM
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that would not jump on a scheduling agreement with ND - not a single one.
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be okay because it is still stronger than the Big East and B12 with ESPN backing the ACCN and liking the ACC basketball. Which will be fine with some Big East and B12 basketball power houses IMHO.
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per year.
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matter more than SOS, and no one takes more advantage than ND.
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Penn State, Texas Tech, Indiana, etc......
Many conference teams have soft schedules.
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That will start in 2030.
Clemson and ND are getting ready to start a 12 year series next year.
Lots of rumblings that talks are happening to put Michigan back on an annual basis.
Watch for the ND/BYU relationship to continue after this current home/home.
ND currently (2026) plays 10 P4 programs and no FCS ones.
The schedule gets tougher starting next season. After that, teams like Alabama, Texas and Auburn and Indiana will be on ND's schedules.
I am not worried about ND's schedules and they will not be "soft" going forward.
** Edited by TerryD at 5/13/2026, 1:21:29 PM
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ND has a grand TOTAL of THREE non- ACC games scheduled in October-November for the next 10 years?
It may or may not be the ACC, but ND NEEDS some type of conference affiliation/deal (or a P2 breakaway) to fill out the late season schedule with P4 type opponents.
Sure, teams want to play ND, but conference games/schedules override. You'll get the occasional Clemson deals.
Conference schedules are decided way too late for ND to pick up the pieces for their schedule after conference game dates are confirmed.
Read the ND boards, they talk about late season scheduling issues all the time.
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football, so that is a moot issue.
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"special relationship" with the ACC. Particularly when it involved 1 of 2 most important sports in college athletics (aka the revenue sports). If Notre Dame had a similar relationship as Johns Hopkins does with the Big Ten (aka only a member in men's lacrosse), then it would be a nothingburger.
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I view every such reaction as simply sour grapes.
You can tell we are in the dead period of the calendar year when these stories (re-)surface.
** Edited by TerryD at 5/12/2026, 3:29:26 PM
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the details. For example, if ESPN was telling the ACC that it wouldn't agree to launch the ACCN without Notre Dame in the mix, then the ACC may not have much of a choice. Particularly if no other network was interested in coming to the negotiation table. Also, we don't know what information was exchanged (formally or informally) between representatives of the 3 parties (ESPN, ACC, and Notre Dame) leading up to the deal and/or after the deal had been finalized (think the year Notre Dame temporarily joined the ACC in football during the COVID season). If the ACC schools were (intentionally or unintentionally) given the impression that Notre Dame would eventually join as a full member as justification for having such a long GOR in place, then I do understand why some ACC schools believe they may have been misled at some point. Particularly if they would have voted differently assuming all the information had been presented to them in a more honest light.
For the record, I am not saying that Notre Dame is or isn't guilty of playing a part in that miscommunication because we will never know what all was said behind closed doors. I do think Swofford may have fed the schools false information because he was determined to do whatever it took to launch the ACCN before he retired because he wanted to secure his legacy before riding off into the sunset. ESPN may have even played a role because they were confident that they would get the rights to the Notre Dame contract at some point. I never liked the deal from the start. Not because I thought Notre Dame would intentionally misled the ACC about its position (even if it did really happen behind closed doors). I knew when it came to football that Notre Dame is a tiger and a tiger never changes its stripes. Also, I knew partial deals, particularly when involving the revenue sports, rarely work out in the end because eventually it will rub 1 party the wrong way. Since the ACC and Big East are the only conferences to agree to such deals, perceptually those deals made them look like they were the weakest BCS/power conferences in the group.
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...but I doubt that ND's private message to the ACC was different than the 1,000 times that it publicly told the ACC and the world that football would not be a member.
And guess what? It was not. It will not be.
And I am sorry but the other stuff you mentioned about why the ACC possibly agreed is simply irrelevant, then and now.
** Edited by TerryD at 5/12/2026, 5:06:25 PM
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they will never air the dirty laundry for a variety of reasons. If someone believes their school can do no wrong, then they will make assumptions to support that opinion. I view it from a more neutral standpoint because humans do make mistakes (to error is to be human).
I disagree it has no relevance to now for 1 very important reason; June 30, 2036. Can you guess what happens on that day? If a school believes it has been wronged or lied to in the past, then it is less likely to be willing to agree to the terms for the new GOR. Assuming the school has any interest in remaining in the ACC. For some schools, it may be enough of a reason to leave the ACC and either form a brand new conference (see the birth of the AAC or C-USA) or join an existing conference. If enough schools decide to leave the ACC, regardless of the reason, then they may have enough votes to formally dissolve the conference. That seems pretty relevant to me especially as we get closer to 2030 or 2031 which there could be some movement in the conference realignment world.
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and was 1 or 2 plays from winning it. Why ND didn’t attack Bama and the SEC instead of Miami that beat them and the ACC is mind boggling.
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We supported a full member versus a partial. Case Closed.
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Despite the widely known strained relations between Notre Dame and the ACC earlier this year, the Irish’s athletic director, Pete Bevacqua, claimed their bond has “never been stronger than ever,” per On3‘s Brett Murphy.
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It wasn't long ago that your AD was whining like a petulant baby over ACC advocating for its full member Miami and you also acted like a child on this forum begging for the ACC relationship to be over? Perhaps I missed something.
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** Edited by goldendomer at 5/12/2026, 12:32:40 PM
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