Thought this was interesting coming from the ND side
We're pissed off at the ACC it seems.
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totally ridiculous. The ACC plays ~100 football games a year, but their 2-3 save us, got it! :-)
Now the ego from ND on this is another story, because they really do I am sure think that. I just can't believe Jim "Dame" Phillips is actually taking them on, or at least pretending publicly. That's a big step for him, even if it's just for show.
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No social media posting is going to change that.
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That would probably take them out of the CFP running.
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...doing.
But #2, Miami hit the point spread against VT, where ND took Syracuse behind the woodshed with a 70-7 butt whipping! That's a bold statement to the playoff selection committee.
Not sure ACC lobbying can make up the current perception difference between the two programs.
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them Orange behind the woodshed?
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had more closer losses than Syracuse. Also, it is worth pointing out that Miami beat Syracuse 38-10 on Nov. 8th.
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but SU played Miami closer so that means ND is better than Miami, even though they lost to them?
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If VT and Syracuse were invited to play in the Toilet Bowl, VT probably would be a slight favorite going into the game based on how both teams did against a common opponents. I used Miami in my previous post because GT is the only other common opponent this year. Syracuse lost to GT 41-16 and VT only lost to GT 35-20.
If you want some sort of comparison between Miami and Notre Dame, then it would probably go something like this. For this week's FBS Playoff Poll, Miami's win over VT should be viewed as a better win than Notre Dame's win over Syracuse regardless of the final scores. Also, it may not even matter that Syracuse, NC State, Pitt, and Stanford happen to be common opponents because head-to-head should trump that factor majority of the time.
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...ND just did the paddling.
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Dame really make with that final score.
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If they want ND in, they'll just look at the score.
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be enough of a justification.
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huge win. Then when someone sees Syracuse's record going into the game, their reaction is likely to be "oh" as if the wind has just been taken out of Notre Dame's sail. Particularly when people see just how bad Syracuse is this season by looking at the final score of their other games.
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The whole "eye test" thing is BS. Guess everyone closed their eyes that day
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has been ND's stock in trade for most of the last 30 years. The reality is Miami beat ND this year. The other reality is the boys at SEC shorts perfectly characterized ND, lose two games to the best teams on your schedule, win the other games on the schedule and then demand a playoff spot as your birthright.
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Heck, there would be some folks pushing ND, even with 3 losses.
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It only took 138 years, 11 national championships, 7 Heisman Award winners, 968 victories, legendary coaches, Hollywood movies, etc...
Anyone can do it.
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Ergo, the ND dislike.
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...few others can match that history.
ND fans embrace the hate. No problem, well used to it for decades.
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in a discussion of this year's race for the playoff - which is the topic of the OP
Those that think it is, or should be, are not only pompous, but using totally illogical thinking - glad you embrace it.
How well a team did before many parts of the country had TV has zero bearing on today's playoff discussion.
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30 years? The older ND gets the better they were. Unfortunately, in the minds of most of their fans they are still trying to substitute are for were.
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More recently, ND is 23-4 the last two seasons, 33-7 the last three seasons, 53-13 the past five seasons and 100-29 in the last ten.
But....none of this matters. It is the totality of ND's history that matters. Few, if any, can match it.
ND didn't get its status from nothing, but from everything, the totality of it all.
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of history establishes that but, benefit of the doubt is more appropriately based on recent accomplishments than the totality of history. Thanks for the recent history lesson. You pretty much confirm what lots of people have been pointing out for a long time. They do have aura and mystique. However, more recently they lose 2 or more of their real games every season, get a playoff birth on the aura/mystique but, cannot finish and sometimes are not even that competitive.
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even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.
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No questions asked.
And yeah, you are right. They always get home-cooking from the bowl commmittees, the BCS, and CFP. It's all about TV ratings, and they love ND in that regard.
Remember Michael Vick's last season and we had just one loss, and should have been invited to the Fiesta Bowl to play a really good Oregon State team? But the powers that be big-timed us in favor of Notre Dame, and kicked us down to the Citrus Bowl. Anyway, Oregon State obliterated Notre Dame, and we did the same to Clemson. So they ended up with two mismatches, just because a few numbers dorks wanted big-ratings ND in yet another bowl they didn't rate to be in.
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not sure why there is any complaint whatsoever
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I would be upset if I was a Miami fan and the ACC was pushing Notre Dame over Miami.
Having said that Notre Dame is playing terrific and they will make the playoffs and do well.
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would potentially fare better in the CFP. I think Miami gets boat raced against a legit team right now.
But there's no reason for ND to get butthurt over the ACC pushing Miami.
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Miami is a football member of the ACC, Notre Dame is not. If Notre Dame wants the ACC twitter account to not vouch for ACC football schools over them for the CFP, then Notre Dame should join the ACC in football.
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fans should show a bit more appreciation for ND being part of your conference. The ACC is lucky to be associated with them, not the other way around. If you lose ND, then what?
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If Notre Dame can’t accept the ACC attempting to promote its own members, let them go play five games a year in Waco, Lubbock, Cincinnati, Ames and Provo.
Or better yet, go back to playing Western Michigan and other MAC schools in October and November.
I have nothing against Notre Dame but they should be damned glad their non-football programs are in the ACC and not drifting across the Big East or Big 12. And if they want to join the SEC or Big Ten, get on with it.
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head to head this year, so if things remain equal, and they both win out, then Miami should get the nod for the playoffs. To me, it's a no brainer.
KU basketball gets over rated almost every year, and gets ranked higher just because of their "blue blood" status in basketball. It's no different in football, as there is an obvious bias. Texas, Penn state, and Clemson are perfect examples this year.
The bias is real, and while I understand the frustration, ND being successful is as important to the ACC as Miami is. I think (emphasis on think) the negativity to ND from many on this board is a reflection of the P2 and B12 media contracts, and the threats of the ACC falling behind or even falling apart. ND will not "save" the ACC, nor should they. They, however, are an asset to the ACC, their affiliation was part of the media contract, and their games are a bargain for the ACC moving forward IMO.
Everyone in the ACC should be rooting for the Irish to win another national championship, no differently than rooting for a Miami or a Clemson. I don't see it as a binary choice. If either the Irish or the Canes get in, it's a positive for the ACC. If either is left out this year, it just goes to show bias for the SEC and BIG.
Same with BYU and Utah in the B12 this year.
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Most of us have lived with Notre Dame being one foot in, one foot out of the conference going back to the days when the Big East still mattered. I think we know as much about the benefits of ND as a Kansas State fan.
Of course ND is good for the ACC’s television contract. And that’s fine; it’s a marriage of convenience that gives the Irish five games against P4 competition rather than having to scrape around and schedule games against MAC schools, UConn and whoever else is willing to go to South Bend in November for a paycheck. That allows the Irish to play their national schedule without dumping a lot of unwatchable games on their fans and NBC. Syracuse may be mediocre, but at least the fans and viewing public know where the school is located.
There is zero benefit to the ACC for ND to be in the playoff. It does not add money to the ACC’s coffers. ND does not wear an ACC patch on its jersey when it plays, so it does not aid the visibility of the league. Potentially, it keeps ND from taking one of the ACC’s bowl bids but, given the glut of bowls and the way opt outs have rendered them meaningless, that’s not a huge loss.
It won’t change television through the end of the arrangement between ND and the ACC. Pretty much the same number of folks will tune in to watch ND-Syracuse or ND-VT whether ND is undefeated or scuffling along.
Most importantly, it does nothing for the future. The ACC is dead man walking. So is the Big 12 though, perhaps, its next iteration will resemble the current one more closely than the ACC will.
We are all just biding our time until we find out whether we make the cut for the big leagues (whether in a super league or current P2) or the next tier (in some reformulated league) or get punted down to something more closely resembling the old G5.
I don’t even root much for the ACC any more because Clemson’s future and Virginia Tech’s future may or may not have anything in common. It’s every man for himself time. I don’t wish the Irish ill and I respect that they do not cheat, but I also do not give a damn about their success.
** Edited by Tailgate Guru at 11/24/2025, 10:45:50 AM
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Notre Dame doesn’t have more money than God, but I do think they have a debit card to one of His bank accounts.
The finances for an ACC member’s participation in the CFP are contractual. ND’s financial arrangements with the ACC are contractual. They are what they are. They don’t mean much in a bloated, overgrown league like the ACC. Virginia Tech is not going to make millions of dollars from some other school’s participation in the CFP and that is all that really matters.
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choice. 1 football team wears the ACC logo on its jersey and the other football team does not. Also, since the conference payouts is based on the number of teams a conference has in the FBS Playoffs, I don't believe the ACC receives any money when Notre Dame makes the field.
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my understanding the ND does not get a cut of that.
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the FBS Playoffs, then it would receive $X amount. If the ACC gets 2 teams into the FBS Playoffs, then it would receive $W amount (where W is greater than X). Assuming the ACC champion receives an automatic bid, it boils down to Notre Dame vs. the ACC being a 2 bid conference. If the ACC champion doesn't receive an automatic bid, then it becomes Notre Dame vs. the ACC having 1 at-large bid or $0 money (if Notre Dame is in) vs. $X (if the ACC has 1 at-large team). Regardless of how things play out, cheering for Notre Dame, as an Independent in football, doesn't really directly benefit the ACC.
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benefit to the ACC is more indirect as it pads their viewership numbers, and their prestige. Sharpening the pencil, and realizing that ND makes more money than those in the ACC is obvious.
Yelling from the rooftop, the ACC is better off associated with the ACC than not, and this disdain for them is misplaced.
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entering this special relationship with Notre Dame. Perceptually though 1 con may carry more weight than the 10 pros. The con I am referring to specifically is the perception the ACC became the weakest power conference as soon as the deal became public because no power conference in any position of strength would agree to such a deal. Now maybe the ACC was always the weakest power conference (in football) once the Big East Football Conference ceased to exist. However, the special deal seemed to put a glaring spotlight on it that the ACC has never been able to shake off its back (think the combine weight of an elephant, blue whale, Seawise Giant, Pioneering Spirit, Prelude FLNG, and Bellamya).
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that when the PAC's media deal was announced (the one that imploded the PAC), was at the time, the richest of all the conferences. The same with the ACC. When their current media deal was announced, it was the richest of all of the conferences. The B12, even with Texas and Oklahoma, never once enjoyed that bragging right. maybe is shows just how undervalued the B12 was, and it's no wonder Texas and OU wanted out.
The BIG and SEC added bluebloods from the B12 and PAC, and the PAC is the one that didn't survive. I think a lot of that was luck by the B12, but one can't discount that the West Coast just does have the interest in college athletics like the South and Midwest, and the ratings were just not there.
It was the consolidations of the brands that put the ACC behind the 8 ball. That and the length of the once rich media contract with a conference network.
2030 is looming, and while no one knows what will happen, the consensus is that SOMETHING will happen. When we were floundering around in the hateful 8, it was the unknown that was the most difficult part. Many were talking abut the Mountain West, as it became clear that the ACC and PAC were not giving invitations. KU would be in the ACC today if they had received a life boat offer, so would WVU. The PAC clearly didn't want anyone, and in hindsight, it was their undoing. By the time USC announced, and the B12 got more money by adding UCF, Houston, BYU, and Cincy - than they did when they had Texas an Oklahoma - the writing was on the wall. Out here, it didn't matter if we added the 4 corners or not - we were still looking at Gonzaga and UConn for basketball.
The B12 wasn't going to compete in football media money with the P2, and I don't think the ACC will either - but so the hell what?
If the ACC lost FSU and Clemson, they will be just fine. If the B12 gets a significant bump in media money in 2030, it will just show how underpaid the ACC is - and 2036 for the conference to stick together. may be too long.
ESPN could change that on a dime if they wanted too. ESPN could also lure current B12 schools to the ACC on a dime if they wanted too.
Rhetorically, why don't they?
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eggs in the P2 (or Super Conference) basket. If so, then they are just biding their time until the next domino drops before making their next move. ESPN and Fox may be playing a game of chess that takes 30 years to complete. While fans and message board posters are playing checkers (maybe even Chinese checkers).
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does it explain why any of the G5 get media contracts.
I think it's more that the ACCN will be the undoing. Non wants their games on that network. Same with the SECN. The BTN I think is the only one making money because of the size of their alumni base nationwide. With the streaming segment expanding, carriage fees for the networks is fleeting. Since so much of the ACC media deal was based on that, I'm not sure how that can be reconciled.
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Once the next move is made, then the G5 and other DI media contracts may look vastly different than they do now because ESPN and/or Fox have decided to reallocate more of those resources into the P2 basket. They may have already made that decision, but are not going public with it as a way of hedging their bets in case something happens that throws a monkey wrench into things
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across the board will go up, for the G5, P2, and B12.
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inflated by so much. If what you say is true, then that means less money going into the P2s' pockets and they may not be happy about that because it could be the difference between slicing up a $90M pie or $120M pie. Plus, if the P2s decide to do their own thing, then the FBS Playoff LLC likely ceases to exist as we know it today. Which means the 8 remaining conferences and Notre Dame have to figure out what their next plan is moving forward.
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in the P2 should make their move now, and separate the P2 from the NCAA tournament, baseball world series, and all of the non rev and Olympic sports. Do that before they make their move.
Let them have their mythical national championship in football, because without the rest of FBS football, it would be meaningless. Let them have their pro league, and the rest of us can distribute the athlete pay to all sports, not just the revenue producing ones. There would still be significant media money, but we can get back to education and college athletics. Let the kids transfer if they can make the big bucks, and play on a P2 team, and let them drive up the cost of talent. I'd like to go back to regional conferences, and have the same rules for every team in regards to athletic pay.
That is what I would do.
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would it be any different? If the schools (and more importantly fans) are okay with the DI-FCS champion being the NCAA DI champion in football now, then I would assume the same would be true if the P2 spun off to do its own thing.
A risk to the P2s spinning off to do their own thing is the money and TV coverage could follow with them. As a result, whomever is left in DI (FBS vs. FCS or re-combined is TBD) could end up with similar coverage that we see with DI-FCS now.
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think that an undefeated VT playing an undefeated TT would get good ratings. Or even a Kansas playing a Duke in football. I don't believe that the P2 is as national as they think.
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all the other games are relegated to streaming platforms (aka Peacock, ESPN+, Paramount, etc.), then it may not matter what people think. If the decision makers at the networks decided that the P2 is national, then that is all that matters.
It is why you see schools like VT, SMU, Cal, and Stanford have a sense of urgency and make the decisions they do. They don't want to take the chance that they could be on the outside looking in when things go down because they could find themselves in a position where they never truly recover from it. Sometimes it is better to be safe than sorry. This may be one of those times.
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out that the football is competitive, the stadiums are full, and the conference race is fun. All of those schools in the B12 were left behind. Being left behind from the P2 didn't kill us off, the games are just as fun as they always have been.
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have been showing up to DI-FCS, DII, DIII, NAIA DI, and NAIA DII games even though the exposure may not be there. What will come as a shock (to the schools) is the sudden reduction of money. Particularly when Title IX comes into play and schools have to decide which sports to cut because of the reduction in revenue. Also, it may come as a shock to fans, who are used to being able to watch their team play a sport on TV with relative ease, and they are no longer able to do that because the networks have become more selective on which sports they are willing to broadcast. If TV coverage of college sports went away today for whatever reason, then I know the Sun will still rise again tomorrow and life will carry on.
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opinion, as erroneous as it is, as it gives me a different perspective.
Thanks for the congratulations.
Might I suggest that SMU only schedule ACC and G5 opponents, and not the B12 in the future?
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as it would save most of the Big 12 from having to run and hide from or consciously avoid SMU like they have for the last 3 decades.
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have already shown they can run rough shot over the bulk of the ACC. With their money, location, and the ability to recruit in a power conference, all of the ACC schools except for maybe the top 4 and ND will be relegated to G tier status.
The problem the ACC will have, is that they are yet another small private that no one watches. Kinda like Baylor in the B12. Baylor has shown they can win on the field and on the court, but no one watches them. Texas, especially the Dallas area is a Texas media mecca. The advantage of Baylor, is that there are enough Texas schools that they will get decent ratings, but because of who they are playing, not because of their success.
No one would watch a Baylor Wake Forest( insert 75% of the ACC) game, even if both were undefeated. THAT is why the B12 didn't add them, as they do not enhance the media contract.
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They have about 4x as many students as SMU and were ranked #22 on November 1 and barely drew 25K to their game against West Virginia. On the same day, then unranked SMU drew over 35K in Dallas.
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never struck me as a school as really having a rich football tradition for whatever reason. Maybe it was because they didn't sponsor the sport until 1946. Maybe it was because Houston always seemed to be viewed as an afterthought in the SWC during the '60s, '70s, and '80s. Even though Houston was most successful under Bill Yeoman ('62-'86), they didn't really start getting any national attention until Jack Pardee arrived after Bill and implement a "gimmick offense" called the run-n-shoot. Of course the buzz was very short lived because of the bowl ban and being kicked off live TV in '89 due to infractions.
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And for good reason. The campus is not located in a safe area.
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If Houston had more of a campus life, then I wonder if the students would have been more passionate about football back then.
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that no one watches". Except for the small private part, that pretty much sums up the Big 12 doesn't it?
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and I have a different opinion.
Thake the top 4 football programs out of the ACC, and you have nothing. Nada, zilch. Two of them already have sued, and they got their walking papers in 2030. If VT is not in the group that gets invited to another conference, you guys are screwed. No differently than the hateful 8 was hung out to dry when the ACC didn't extend an invite to any of them. Thank you for that BTW, WVU would have gone to the ACC in a heartbeat - yet you guys passed on them for like the 3rd time.
Now that the PAC is gone, and the B12 got the 4 corners, it's checkmate. The VT faithful better hope that the SEC comes calling, or there very well could be a TT VT rivalry forming.
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The ACC and Big 12 are both temporary arrangements at this point. Neither has any reason to puff out their chest at this point and the idea of “checkmate” is so ludicrous it is unbelievable.
In another 5 years or so, the next iteration of the P2 will resolve itself. Maybe the Big Ten and SEC combine, contract or form a super league. Maybe schools like North Carolina or even Virginia Tech (not holding my breath) get called up to the “big leagues.”
After that occurs, if anyone in the next tier of schools has a brain, they will figure out a way to take the best of what is left and organize into a group of 32 that can compete in two or four subgroups on a more regional basis. Let the small privates like Wake and BC and SMU and Baylor and the low publics like UCF and Cincinnati and others go back to a tier where they belong.
The ACC and Big 12 are marriages of convenience. Nothing more.
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in 2030/2031 to see just how badly you missed. I wouldn't be so sure you can hold on to the four corners and your checkmate declaration is laughably premature. What do you believe complaining about ND has to with anything, aside from you being fixated on trying to get a name program for the Big 12?
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schedule some schools, or even have a scheduling agreement like Clemson's for a school or two. When the ACC implodes, I see them going to the Big East for basketball and Olympics. It's a no brainer.
I can see them having a scheduling agreement with Miami, FSU, Stanford, Clemson, then ~maybe look at ASU for Phoenix. Add Navy and USC, and that is 6 or 7. There is absolutely no reason for them to be playing Wake, Louisville, Cuse, BC, Duke, NCSU, VT, Cal, UNC, and GT on a regular basis.
They could schedule any of those schools, anytime they want. The same with any B12 school.
There is a lot of history with the BIG schools, and it seems the SEC brands want to schedule them as well.
Again, ND is too good for the ACC. Sorry if that offends some. It doesn't offend me that they are too good for the B12. I think the ACC in complacent, and there is a reason the B12 has distributions that are closing in on the ACC.
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the Big 12 has larger distributions right now. It was a payoff to let UT and OU go and to finish the break up of desired PAC 12 pieces. We'll see what they do with the next renewal but, your closing in is most likely wishful thinking. It was never said ND was coming to the Big 12, just that you were fixated on adding a name program, any name program to the Big 12's current G5 lineup.
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have your conspiracy theory, and you have been consistent with that theory, but there is no basis for that except your opinion.
I'm fixated on the ACC imploding, and if the B12 adds any programs from the ACC, it will be because the top programs end up in the P2. 2036 is the key, and it's too long of a term for the ACC contract in todays environment. The new uneven distribution payments will tell the tape.
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has been common sense and logic. Texas and OU represented a very substantial portion of the total contract value of the Big 12. No one aside from you and other Big 12 fans believes you lose those 2 and replace them with G5 and PAC12 leftovers and get a comparable to slightly greater contract. Yormark is good but, he is not a magician. The next renewal will be interesting to watch.
The next renewals will likely shape the final round of realignment absent government intervention. I have always contended the last contract for the ACC had two goals with one being longer term survival to see what the final landscape might resemble and the other to give the conference and its members time for an orderly resolution to their futures instead of a fire sale like was witnessed with the former BE and PAC 12. Uneven revenue distribution, if properly designed, rewards performance and investment. If poorly designed it is a self fulfilling prophecy that creates haves and have nots. We will see which way the ACC design goes when formulas and results become clearer.
The only real question left is how many conferences/leagues and schools are left standing when the music stops. At present the odds seem to favor 2 with the still possible 1 or 3 having outside chances. If 3, the ACC and Big 12 will most likely come together in some hybrid that takes some, not all, the existing schools from both.
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B12, a little later for the SEC. Those contracts will set the table for any future realignment, and whether or not there are two, three, or four power conferences.
Obviously the P2 gets the eyeballs, have most of the brands, and more importantly, the competitive advantage with recruiting and the ability to pay players.
I don't think that discounts those that are not in the P2, and there will other schools that will be able to compete with the top brands of the P2, regardless of which conference they are in. There is definitely value in the media content of those that are not in the P2, they will just never get the same exposure or the same dollars as the P2. SMU has flexed their muscle, as has BYU. To be included in the "club" however, would take decades of consistently being ranked in the top 10, and that just isn't in the cards in my opinion. That does not preclude them from winning a natty down the road. VT can also go on a run with the right coach, the right recruits, and ya, the right amount of money. No differently than small market baseball clubs.
The P2 will beat up on each other, and the losses for current and former blue bloods will start to add up.
Uneven distributions will implode, as it hasn't worked for any conference that has implemented them. Maybe the ACC will be different, and set precedent.
A hybrid 3rd conference looks good on paper, just like the mag 7 did. So does a hybrid 1sr conference with a combination of the SEC and BIG. It's conceptual, but will probably never come to fruition. The top schools need the schools on their schedule to rack up the wins, fill their stadiums, and retain/add rivalries. A pro model for college football is destined to fail, as there is entirely too much regionality, and I don't see that going away.
It's no different than the fans of VT wanting regional and traditional foes, rather than considering the B12. I say that, not thinking that the B12 is a stronger conference, I say that because schools in the B12 feel the same way.
CalFord had no choice in the matter, and for a VT as an example joining the B12 it would be for the same reasons. (not a prediction).
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they share no playoff revenue with the ACC. ND has an open invitation to join; this is their chosen arrangement, not ours.
I think they are pissed that their previously scheduled games with Stanford don't count toward their ACC contract obligation
** Edited by daveinop at 11/22/2025, 1:54:04 PM
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the way to go in the future. It's the only true way of having uneven distributions that is completely fair.
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between the ACC and the Big 12 might get a little tighter but, you'd still occupy 4th.
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and 4 is razor thin. You can be number 3 if it makes you feel better.
I do think with the recent developments of your coach hire, and the infusion of money, VT and Texas Tech would make a very interesting game moving forward. Maybe a rivalry in the future?
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if it is simply based on athletic programs spending more money on football, basketball....
Virginia Tech is doing what every Power 4 school has to do to survive. IMHO, VA Tech is late to the party. What Tech is doing now is preparing itself for the future when the P-4 schools begin negotiating new contracts. I don't like the direction D-1 athletics is heading but it's a necessary evil to survive. Hopefully James Franklin gets Tech back to level it was 15 years ago, just in time when the Big 10 and SEC decide to expand.
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and currently, even if the ACC were to lose ND, the ACC would make more money - barely. That however, isn't the only metric as who is #3 moving forward. Until the B12, or the ACC wins a national Championship with the new realities of the conference revenue disparity, I don't think it really matters. I include ND in that mix, as IMO as long as the ACC is associated with ND, the ACC will be better than the B12.
There are other metrics to compare the conferences other than the media contract, and that will be decided on the field and court - not perception.
And ya, this troll gave up the #3 argument from the get go. It's an emotional designation. The ACC has FSU, Miami, and Clemson. Clearly better brands than the B12 currently has. Enjoy the #3, as it's fleeting.
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ND to be better than the Big 12. Your true colors as opposed to your claims of being a respectful guest have once again been put on display for all to see.
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better. The ACC however IS better with them than without them. It's one of the reasons ESPN gave the ACC the media deal they did. The ACC's problem is the length of the contract, and the all in mentality (at the time) of an ACC network.
I tipped my hat to the ACC brands, and conceded that the ACC is #3. It appears, as usual, you can not take yes for an answer.
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disingenuous trolls as they appear. Has nothing to do with taking yes for an answer.
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mostly to troll in your usual passive, aggressive manner and asked a question. I gave you reality, something you often fail to recognize rather than something to make me feel better. I don't see VT having a real rivalry with anyone in the Big 12 aside from WVU and that has to do with history rather than anything to do with the Big 12.
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and maybe get better terms. It starts somewhere.
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Believes Notre Dame runs this conference or Jim Phillips bows down to us, and than this happens. If we ran this conference, this would never happen.
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math, ND gets $75M for 6 home games. That makes the 4 home games the ACC gets from them worth about $18.55M annually. That is about the distribution that ND gets from the ACC for their basketball.
The Big East gets about $10M - $11M a year in media money.
Seems to me that the ACC is making out on the deal. The recent media contracts suggest that the ACC is grossly underpaid, as I think many on the board would agree with.
I also suggest that the buy out of the ND contract would be much, much lower than it would be for a full member like FSU.
Be careful what you ask for. With the B12 contract coming up, I could see a scheduling agreement, like they have with Clemson, with possibly with BYU, TCU, and don't forget, they have a ton of alumni in the Phoenix area, so ASU might be one as well.
Again, the ACC is lucky to have ND, and in my opinion, the fans of the ACC should show more appreciation.
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I can set you straight again.
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The ACC seems to need the deal less today then at its inception.
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I said the ACC is not as desperate as it was at the inception of the agreement.
So tell me again why the ACC would accept such a drastic negative change? Specifically what has changed in NDs favor to alter the balance of power so significantly that the ACC would agree to full membership in exchange for 2 games a year with ACC opponents?
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