Notre Dame and NBC renewing their deal today.
Announcement coming at 3:00 pm.
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I suspect the schools will schedule each other, but nothing in the NBC deal to mandate it.
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The Big10's tv contract is with the Big10 Network, and then the Big10 Network sublicenses the games to NBC and CBS. Any road games that ND plays against a Big10 school will be available for Fox to air since they have the 1st choice of games, and they will definitely want first dibs on ND games.
NBC can't dictate the terms to the Big10, Fox dictates the terms to the Big10.
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more P2 games IMHO. Otherwise, why pay so much more? Notre Dame is not top in the ratings compared to Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State etc. They have not won a National Championship in decades, they have been trounced whenever they made the playoffs, they lost their coach to LSU. Sooner or later the math has to add up. It’s hard to believe this is not about playing more P-2 games, IMHO.
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ND trailed only Colorado, Alabama and Ohio State.
NBC's ND game averaged over 5.1 million viewers this year when the new deal was signed.
That is why NBC paid Big money to renew the deal.
** Edited by TerryD at 11/22/2023, 12:43:49 PM
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again it’s not ND’s fault that networks don’t look at it that way, or the playoff committee for that fact.
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TAnd they draw advertisers. Ad buyers in New York/LA/Chicago all know who and what Notre Dame is, and they are more inclined to buy ad time on a network airing their games.
NBC will pay about $7M per game which they might not be able to recoup in advertising during the game, but sports programming serves as a way to bring viewers to a network that might not be watching it, and in the fall the networks are launching new shows so they want those new eyes seeing the promos for the new shows.
Also, not all advertising buys are done for particular shows, some are called ROS which is basically "best time available". Those rates are based on all network programming, so ND football increasing those ratings will help increase those rates.
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If they couldn't get ND into the Big Ten, this is the next best thing for them.
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So this is actually the best thing for NBC, ND going to the Big 10 would actually be worse. NBC doesn't get first dibs on games, so NBC would end up only getting about 3-4 ND games a season under the Big10 contract.
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get pushed to play at least a couple a year.
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However, Notre Dame, gets the same amount of votes for the playoff committee as the entire soon to be 18 team B1G and 16 team SEC. So maybe you are right. Maybe NBC doesn’t care who they play.
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soon to be 18 team B1G and 16 team SEC." You don't find that hard to believe because of your myopic view of ND versus all the other Power Conference teams. I admire your loyalty, but you have zero objectivity on this subject, good for ND that they can get away with this while, Alabama, Georgia, and Clemson have won multiple National Championships in the 2000's. I don't blame ND or your myopic view for letting them get away with this, it's because the other Power Schools and NBC let it happen. It's good for ND, but not college football. College Football is becoming more like the so called Professional Wrestling or NASCAR, they just want their giant names to win, and ND is certainly that, even 45 years for a National Championship after winning 10 in just over 50 years is not really winning much comparatively speaking.
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for convincing a lot of people like me and ACC Presidents you would join. He then doubled down and hired an ND homer who cares more about ND than the rest of the Conference with his expansion. There have been lots of bad decisions, and the new guy continues to do what’s best for ND and not the Conference. Someday IMHO it will catch up to him and Notre Dame, but not yet. All you have to do is look back at Big East football when Miami and Virginia Tech were top 10 and top 5 teams. Now Big East football doesn’t exist and both are struggling in football every year, and this time the ACC will survive, but be much weaker. I get why you think that is okay because it’s okay for Notre Dame, but to me and many others in the ACC it’s sad basically watching the same movie twice. Shame on the ACC for continuing to buy the Fools Gold, but many are finally done with it too.
** Edited by Stech at 11/23/2023, 12:41:38 AM
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tend to give The Irish whatever VIP status is required to keep them out of a competing conference. The SEC does not want ND in The B1G, The B1G does not want them in The SEC or ACC, or any where else but The B1G. Notre Dame does a fine job of leveraging this dynamic.
Their value to a conference, a media company, and the advertisers comes from their long tradition as standard bearer for Catholics everywhere, but even more so, today, because of the breadth and depth of their footprint. They aren't just regional or national, but literally international in their reach. Advertisers know that and love it.
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could to stop it, including create a 12 team playoff without having to be a Conference Champion to qualify.. If that had been done, there would be a Power 4 and not a Power 2. Basically 16 team Conferences with a the Conference Champion from the Power 4 going to the Final 4.
The next big thing, is paying revenue producing football and probably basketball players as employees with benefits and maybe even unions. Then what doe ND do? What does Duke do? What does Stanford do? How do you pay for non-revenue sports? So much to come IMHO and it's probably sooner rather than later.
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those in non-rev sports. The conference media payouts will fund those salaries. Notre Dame will be fine. They have a big, fat media deal and a loyal donor base. NIL will be the real battleground, not player salaries.
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paid. A whole new organization could be created for these tier 1 athletes that are generating Billions and not just millions. As the podcast I linked said, Congress is already working on it. I see either academic or financial need scholarships being used for NON-REVS. I have talked to several NON-REV College Coaches over the last month and they told me that happens a lot already for their athletes. So the model is there. Just break away athletic scholarships from academic and financial need scholarships.
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Once that happens, that is that. All of them will be employees by operation of law.
No tiers regarding athletes as employees by conferences or schools. No "models" to the contrary once the Court rules.
And yes, privates schools like ND and Stanford are still flush with cash and will be fine.
Some public schools? Maybe not,
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have billions in their endowments, but will use it to pay athletes? If it ends up paying all athletes, where do you see the money coming from to pay them? Endowments, TV, where?
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How do schools pay administrators, coaches, etc....?
They figure out a way to do it.
Maybe stop paying coaches $100 million dollar deals with $76 million buyouts, for a start.
The thing is that college football has been operating illegally for decades with the "student-athlete" fiction.
Those days will soon be over, for everyone.
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...that football would never join the ACC.
It really amazes me that some people didn't believe its consistent and persistent public announcements about this since 2012.
** Edited by TerryD at 11/23/2023, 2:47:19 PM
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it HAD to be the ACC - I believe it still does unless bought out.
Many people thought - some very few still do - that ND would/will have to join a conference for playoff access - even ND said that exclusion would have likely been a game changer. Someone thinking that eventuality would put them in a conference - and thus in the ACC under the agreement - was/is not complete dream land.
And ND agreeing to this with one side of their mouth - while saying - no football conference ever (public or private) - out of the other side - is the exact typical attitude that people rightly fault ND for having.
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...ND didn't mind agreeing to this since it never had/has any intention of giving up independence.
So, that a agreement was no burden to ND, easy to agree to.
It gave the ACC the "Dumb and Dumber" type chance if by some upheaval, it was first in line for ND (unless the contract was broken and damages paid out by ND, if the Big Ten deal was worth it to do so).
That was like a 60 year old confirmed bachelor who never intends to marry telling someone "IF I ever decided to get married, it will be to you."
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and it's kinda like the chance of the other party in that relationship getting pregnant...of course the typical ND attitude would to be let me buy my way out...even with their stated mores....that's the attitude many ND fans portray - that they are oblivious too.
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It has nothing to do with ND or the attitudes of ND fans.
The old saying is"Contracts are made to be broken".
That is why lawyers haggle over contractual language.
Contracts are broken hundreds of times a day across America.
That is why we have courthouses, to determine the appropriate damages for those multitude of breached contracts.
** Edited by TerryD at 11/26/2023, 8:26:33 PM
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I deal with them on a daily basis.
EXACTLY the attitude I'm talking about - and no, not everyone thinks like that.
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...convinces me that just about every type of person or entity breaks contracts when it suits them to do so.
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Didn't say it wasn't the likely option - actually mentioned a buyout - but just because something is legal doesn't make it the right thing to do from an appearance perspective.
Kinda like going to someone else's house and insisting on your point of view - even if one is an overall knowledgeable person, it portrays an attitude.
We'd have fun at a deposition - I've frustrated quite a few litigators as an expert witness starting in the early 90's.
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I have negotiated and drafted plenty of contracts.
All lawyers who draft contracts do so with the assumption that they will be broken.
Yes, we would have had fun, past tense, I have retired to the mountains of Grayson County now
I dealt with and handled lots of expert witnesses over the years.
** Edited by TerryD at 11/27/2023, 8:59:31 AM
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enjoyable watching the expressions of a high priced litigator and their client when they get worked by a knowledgeable, effective and articulate expert witness.
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believe that, and it really doesn’t matter, because it is over now.
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Do you have a link to that ? :)
Seriously, that beggars belief without a shred of any evidence at all.
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conversations. Consequently, I cannot prove it at least today, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I know you have had things that you could not prove that did happen. You are not telling the truth Counselor if you say otherwise.
Time to move on though, it really doesn't matter, Notre Dame Football will play their 5 ACC football games on average a year for over 10 years and possibly 20, "something you never saw happening", and be a conference member for the other ACC sports and because Swofford thought it would lure you in, you did join the ACC in 2020 for football and and made the College Football Playoff. Those are all irrefutable facts that at least two out of three "you thought would never happen." So you were about 66% wrong, and that's giving you the benefit of the doubt that you did see ND joining the ACC for all the other sports. If not, you were a complete whiff on all three. I am not sure why you pound your chest with those misses, but in the mean time good luck to ND being Independent while the P2 keep getting stronger and stronger every year. About $67 million a year sounds good until you compare it to the $80 million and growing the the P2 will make.
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...since ND is private, there will never be an officially disclosed number.
Also, I have seen mention that the additional of Comcast and the three new schools will push ND's ACC/ACCN payout to over $20 million.
But, in any event, ND wanted the number to be "close enough" to the P2 figure (doesn't have to match) to stay both competitive and independent.
Protecting independence was an overriding goal. ND was able to get those payouts without an exit fee, GOR buyout or having to even join a football conference.
Mission accomplished.
** Edited by TerryD at 11/24/2023, 5:43:24 PM
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You thought "The Alliance" was something more than a PR stunt, that no 12 team playoff with six at large berths was going to happen and that ND football was going to join the ACC.
That is 0 for 3 for you.
I am unsure if you thought ND would successfully broker the additional of Stanford, etc al, but if you didn't , that is 0-4.
Did you think that NBC would renew the deal with ND for $50 million a year ?
If not, that is 0-5. :)
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I thought you were questioning the amount of ND viewers or the amount of the NBC contract
Sorry.
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continue to kiss the ring and grant power and standing equivalent to a conference to a program that for the vast majority, if not entirety, of the last 30 years leans much more to mediocre than powerhouse. Appears the charade will now be prolonged until at least 2029.
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Only other fans care about this, not the stakeholders.
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money I would think mean more P2 games on NBC. It will be interesting to find out the details in their scheduling for more money with NBC.
** Edited by Stech at 11/21/2023, 9:19:38 AM
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more Big Ten teams, it gives NBC access. Obviously, they wouldn't get first pick every time, but I'd bet at least once or twice a year they'd get ND away.
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If the P4 and a 4 or even 8 team playoff with Conference Champs only had gotten through like many wanted, they would have likely been forced to join, but that ended a couple of years ago. They forged a very odd alliance against the ACC with the SEC mainly to get the 12 team playoff. The ACC has no one to blame, but themselves by hiring a Notre Dame homer who worked there and sent his kids there.
By the way, Notre Dame won 10 National Championships in a little over 50 years, and the last one they won was 45 years ago in 1988, but they would rather be independent than win a National Championship. It's very very odd to me, but that is their culture and the first little over 50 years of 10 National Championships allows them to do that.
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Plus, tell me the correlation between conference membership and winning national championships?
Michigan has been in the Big Ten for 100 years.
It has won exactly one-half of one championship (1997) since 1947.
Many schools are in conferences and have never won one, VT included.
Can you guarantee ND an automatic national championship in the next five years if it joins a conference ???
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that as a huge fall off, but I admire for your loyalty, but you are anything but objective.
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...that conference teams like Michigan have won less championships and conference membership doesn't mean national championships for ND
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....between 1924 and 1988.
How many has Michigan, Virginia Tech. Miami, Nebraska, etc...(all conference members) won in the last 20 years?
My point?
Whether ND is independent or in a conference is totally irrelevant to whether it is winning National Championships.
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Have they ever even hinted at their desire to remain independent?
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Don't have to, what luxury to have
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Plus the $17 million/year from the ACC will be less than what B1G schools make per year. I guess money isn't everything.
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ND will receive P2 level money without having to pay an exit fee, a GOR buyout or even have to join a football conference.
Not a bad deal, Jack Swarbrick. Well done.
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They also keep all of their bowl money, correct?
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thanks to the new unequal revenue distribution model that the ACC adopted.
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that much.
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No subsidy from the conference as in the past - correct?
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long distance travel is involved?
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