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HOO86 OP
Nov 10, 2023 at 06:33 PM ET
Would the ACC take Michigan?
Something is going on with Michigan and the Big Ten Conference. Michigan media has Michigan upset with Commissioner Petitti. I guess this is over the Harbaugh scandal with Signals and Signs. I'm not sure the ACC would take them, but Notre Dame would probably push for it. They'll probably calm down, but it's interesting.
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tarheelblue
Of course the ACC would take them. But Michigan couldn't afford the pay cut
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HOO86 OP
If look at the UM endowment. Michigan can afford what it wants.
But yes they would have to be furious with the B1G to leave their payout. I do think an add like that would allow the ACC too up the payout with forcing ESPN. And I don't think ESPN would gripe.
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tarheelblue
Most endowment money can't be used for athletics.
mrcaniac mrcaniac
True, but it speaks to how well a school can fundraise
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HOO86 OP
True, but the ability to cover the athletic budget is not an issue.
Michigan would rival SMU or have more actually too handle themselves. They can go where they want, As Dayooper suggests, some are looking as SEC. Why subject themselves to a brutal SEC schedule when they don't have to in the ACC if their addition bumps the ACC ESPN numbers. They would be able to run through the ACC with challenges only with Florida schools, Clemson, and other ACC having good years. SEC would be brutal.
mrcaniac mrcaniac
ACC recruiting grounds also
ACC is in states that the SEC isn't in, California, PA, NC, and VA. As for states the ACC is in that the Big10 isn't in, those are Texas, FL, GA, SC, NC, VA. The additions of SMU and Cal/Stan really opened up states for the ACC to now be able to recruit better in.
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HOO86 OP
Yes. Recruiting should expand reach for the ACC
And if we ever end up with Tulane, Louisiana is a fertile recruiting state also. I had wanted Cincinnati due to proximity and ACC Network subscribers, but Ohio is a good recruiting state too. We missed out on that one.
Atlee Hokie Atlee Hokie
Michigan would never walk away from all that money.
But to answer your question, ACC would be certifiably insane to not take Michigan.
reestuart reestuart
If the ACC wouldn’t take them, the conference should shut down.
To think they wouldn’t is silly as heck. Not that it’s even a remote possibility. ** Edited by reestuart at 11/11/2023, 1:09:17 PM
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Mercury
there's a reason that ND wants nothing to do with Mich
Historical, Listen, look Mich never been a team player in the Big 10, only for Mich. Now you have 13 Presidents directing the commission to do something. So anywhere Mich goes there will be trouble GUARANTEE IT
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TerryD
Michigan has been run by a century of *******s
Not that it would happen, but the ACC would soon learn the meaning of "Michigan Men, Leaders and Best".
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HOO86 OP
Whenever you have a whale in the league.
They throw their weight around. But the whales are what create the revenue gap for the SEC and B1G vs ACC. Florida State likes to act like a whale, Michigan, Ohio State, and Texas are whales.
reestuart reestuart
Trouble. And money. Lots and lots of money. The ACC took Loserville and SMU
for crying out loud.
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RJHokie
Yeah, like Texass.
It’s gonna be interesting with Texass in the SEC.
Atlee Hokie Atlee Hokie
Texass in the SEC is going to be interesting to watch.
Those people always consider themselves to be #1 and everyone getting what Texass wants them to have. Bama, LSU, Georgia et. al. will not appreciate that. And if Texass tries to throw their weight around, aTm will just say, "I told you so."
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TerryD
Not sure ND would push that
Relations between ND and Michigan have been poor to putrid for 115 years.
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EDGEMAN
I think in a NY minute. But I remember the same discussions about PSU
PSU unhappy with the B1X, with rumors about them wanting to leave too. What happened? Nothing. The exact same thing will happen with Meechigan. They aren't going anywhere.
Maroon Baboon Maroon Baboon
And this Harbaugh thing is hyper-trivial compared to leaving the B1G
after a hundred and some years. They'd fire Harbaugh first before going to the ACC. Yep. Follow the money. Or I guess we should say, stay with the money. Nonstarter.
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
It may be worth noting that Michigan was voted out of the Big Ten (when it
was known as the Big Nine) in 1907 because Michigan didn't adhere to the league rules at the time. Michigan remained an independent until it rejoined the conference for the 1917-18 season. I know it has been over 100 years since that happened and the smart money says that Michigan should remain in the Big Ten. I do find it interesting that Michigan is the only member (as far as I know) to be kicked out of the Big Ten and now people are talking about the possibility of Michigan choosing to leave the conference because it believes the conference didn't follow its own rules when punishing Harbaugh.
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EDGEMAN
Just crazy for anyone to suggest they might change conferences.
No P2+ team is going to burn their golden ticket to financial security to join a P2(minus) conference. Will never happen.
reestuart reestuart
Yeah, it’s just a stupid thought.
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HOO86 OP
In normal times yes. But we have Cal/Stanford coming.
I would have Never predicted that in a million years a year ago. So the world is upside down these days.
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dayooper
Michigan has its own financial security
Between it’s donors (who are all up in arms over this) and it’s own funds, they can handle whatever comes their way.
Maroon Baboon Maroon Baboon
Maybe we should start a clandestine agitation operation to get the Big Blue
donors and ultras all fired up, pitting the B1G and UM against one another. Hey! It's worth a shot. 😆
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mancunian
Operation Gemstone.
Run by E. Howard Hunt.
Maroon Baboon Maroon Baboon
It absolutely must have a Watergate or James Bond-villain vibe.
Otherwise, it would be too boring.
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EDGEMAN
No doubt, but they aren't going to give up tens of millions every year...
...to change conferences.
Maroon Baboon Maroon Baboon
Wait'll they see the pay cut.
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HOO86 OP
Yep. But that adjustment might change that a bit.
If that happened, the ACC would transform. And other would come with them. ESPN would up the ante. It's a pipe dream, but something to fantasize about. They wouldn't have to do summer camps in Florida anymore. There would be a benefit for them to have access to the South. I'd say Southeast, but we are in Texas now too. ESPN would have to address the change in one of the look ins, and this addition would be one they would do. But not happening. ** Edited by HOO86 at 11/10/2023, 11:30:13 PM ** Edited by HOO86 at 11/10/2023, 11:31:03 PM
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dayooper
Michigan is very not happy with the Big10
Not here to debate sign stealing, but the lack of due process and suspension of their coach 20 hours (while they were in the air) before one of the biggest games is very unprofessional. They suspend the head coach when they have no evidence that he knew what was going on. The Big10 informed the university 30 minutes after ESPN “broke” the news.
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HOO86 OP
Welcome. Haven't seen you here. As a Michigan guy,
We'd like to know what is going on. No one thinks Michigan will change conferences, but the ACC would love the opportunity to have discussions with Michigan. But can the Harbaugh situation be cleared up. We are pretty far from what's going on.
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dayooper
I’ve been around for awhile
Haven’t posted here much and it’s been years since I did. Always enjoyed this board’s ACC perspective of Conference Realignment and have been a regular lurker for quite awhile.
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dayooper
The Harbaugh situation is overblown
Everybody in the Big10 steals signs. Illinois shared their spreadsheet of Michigans signs with OSU and Purdue (OSU had their own). Purdue may have sent Michigans signs to TCU last year. The issue is that a low level staffer is accused of being at opposing recording with an electronic device (which is against the rules) and not a 3rd party (which is not against the rules). If the Big10 had let this take its own course and let it all play out like it should have, then this wouldn’t be an issue. Since mob mentality took effect and the Big10 did not let due process take ahold, so it all became personal. The slight of how the suspension was given out and the timing of it are very unprofessional and lead the personal nature of the issue.
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TerryD
He has been suspended for cheating twice....this season alone.
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Stech
Thanks for your perspective and insight, please keep posting, we agree to
disagree here with respect most of the time. BTW, I am like HOO86, I really don’t know the details, and it seems the B1G doesn’t either 🤣. I get it, that’s probably not funny to you. Keep posting though, we love the diversity of perspectives and information here.
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dayooper
No, it is funny
The Big10 and a couple of schools decided to air their dirty laundry publicly by feeding certain reporters their side of the story so they can get out in front before Michigan could reply. Michigan has in the past just rolled over (Stretchgate, Burgergate) and self imposed their own punishments. The Big10 wanted 2 games and Michigan said no. The President and regents are very aware of how the other schools have treated them and it will take some healing before they trust again. Do I think they will move, probably not, but the ball is already rolling on looking at ways of leaving legally. Losing Michigan would severely hurt the Big10. Michigan and OSU are consistently top 5 in viewership and to lose them would be a blow to the TV package they negotiated.
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HOO86 OP
Thank you. Seen it going on, but haven't paid close attention to it.
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WBGV
The odds of UM going to the ACC is no less than the odds of Alabama
going to the B1G.
BUGGZY BUGGZY
Just give Texas a decade or so in the SEC...they can destroy anything
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EDGEMAN
Worst conference member in history
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Stech
It’s hard to believe they would leave, but ESPN would love to have them!!!
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ren_hoek
Yes, with open arms
That being said, they'd never actually leave
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HOO86 OP
I would just hope the ACC wouldn't screw around
And let the Big 12 take them. My confidence is low with Jim Phillips. But with Michigan's academic standing they would probably prefer ACC. We now have Stanford. It would motivate Notre Dame to stay. But like you said they aren't close to actually leaving. ** Edited by HOO86 at 11/10/2023, 8:44:47 PM
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LonghornHokie
Duke and UNC already voted no
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Vinnibob
Know your irrelevant - when everyone else votes yes....thanks for playing
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HOO86 OP
Regents apparently discussing options
Life is not all fun and games in the B1G. I think they would need to honor their currently executed media deal for 6 years or so. ** Edited by HOO86 at 11/10/2023, 7:26:12 PM
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Mercury
Interesting all these brands frustrated
Michigan board of trustees not happy and looking at options Fsu board of trusttees not happy and looking at options What haopened to collabortative organizations; working together?