Were Cal and Stanford invited to the Big12 and refused? Or were they
never invited? Did they ever contact the B12? If so, would they get in? This is all sketchy to me.
I can't imagine the B12 turning down a chance to get into California.
Also, did SDSU try to get into the B12 at all? Seems to me that they were trying to get into the wrong conference.
It will be interesting to see what the Pac-4 decide.
TIA.
** Edited by Maroon Baboon at 8/6/2023, 5:10:32 PM
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ever made a phone call, at least none that were reported.
They may have talked over the weekend, but there isn't a blank check on the pro rata. It was also reported that the B12 presidents voted to give Yormack the ability to go to 18, but I think that was typical click bait, as I haven't seen any follow up in the media.
Cal and Stanford will not end up in the B12 IMHO. They will not ask for an invite, and THAT is the reason they are in the position they are in.
The second a school thinks they are better than another, athletically, academically, socially, or by any measure, they have lost their way as an educational institution.
Every University or college strives for academic excellence, down to the community colleges.
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"... socially, or by any measure, they have lost their way as an educational institution. "
Maybe they can form a conference with the Hoos! :)
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B10 probably now waits to see what happens with Notre Dame's TV deal renewal in 2025. If that goes poorly or other circumstances change, then they could potentially be on the table. If they get locked in independence again with NBC (or other), going to 20 with a Bay Area presence could be the next move.
Then wait a few more years to pick off your favorite 4 from the ACC, if the SEC doesn't get there first.
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And if people at Stanford or Cal think their university is better academically than the lion's share of other universities—an opinion a majority of the general public would agree with—I don't follow how that's indicative of a university "losing its way." (not that that should have jack to do with conference realignment in the first place)
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a rhetorical question.
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Independent, the PAC4 are seeking to rebuild the conference through additions, not mergers.
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they will be in an excellent position to receive a double secret AAU membership that includes free Apple TV subscriptions for all faculty members. Tony Altimore is in the process of revising all of his conference affiliation charts and he even tried to contact U.S. News & World Report to adjust Boise State’s academic rankings, but the phones had been disconnected due to unpaid bills.
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I think some like to think about being an association of like-minded universities. Sounds quaint. But not realistic. And sadly, this is one reason why WVU isn't in the ACC where they belong.
The only conference that seems to be like-minded and has maintained that for generations is the Ivy League. Every other conference has outliers.
I'm sure Stanford and Cal thought they were B1G material. But the B1G went in a different direction.
While it isn't and shouldn't be the only thing, geography matters. And I think that is what is being forgotten in all of this.
** Edited by Maroon Baboon at 8/6/2023, 6:37:04 PM
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While the ESPN contract payout would remain the same to the other schools, the ACC Network payout would decrease because WV's population is smaller than Idaho's and is dropping. The addition of WV's cable subscribers would generate less revenue than what each school's ACC Network payout is now, so every school would get less money. The addition of WVU would bring in about $5M a year to the ACC Network, split that in half, and they would bring in $2.5M a year. With the schools receiving about $10M a year, the other schools would get about a half million less per year from the ACC Network to give WVU a full share of the ACC Network revenue.
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Schools were grouped together and called the Ivies for non-athletics reasons long before the Ivy League became a sports organization.
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be on to something. Maybe a West Coast Ivy League?
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Stanford
Cal
Washington State
Oregon State
Air Force
SMU
Rice
Tulane
Non-football members:
Gonzaga
St. Mary’s
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At least these schools are near major airports, so commercial flights would be pretty reasonable.
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