If I recall correctly, this contract won't start until 2024 and they are doing this to get a ballpark idea of where they are at. This will go into renegotiation for next summer and the sharks will begin circling around the Pac 12. All of those teams except Oregon St and Washington State could look attractive to the Big XII and ACC. And the B1G certainly has their eyes on Oregon, Washington and Stanford.

That the B1G needed $143 million in new income if they added any 2 schools just to break even, and Washington and Oregon together only produced $60 million in new revenue meaning they fell $83 million short and that's why the B1G passed them over. I *think* I got that information from the guy who writes about U. of Arizona on wildcatauthority.com but I'm not certain. That $60 million figure surprised me because I assumed they were worth much more than that.

It's got a dead weight problem of its own. Just think about the value of the University of Washington (great football tradition, great venue, strong fan support, a relatively recent national championship, in a major media market, in a location with the aerospace industry and a generally wealthy area. I mean, what is not to like? And the B1G is balking at them because it might not make money for Rutgers and Northwestern? Yeah, I know the conference doesn't want to take a loss, but the fact that it's even a loss in the first place illustrates the problem. ** Edited by Maroon Baboon at 7/27/2022, 2:53:47 PM

who has more deadweight?

It used to be Vandy and Kentucky, Now Kentucky has gotten pretty good and respectable. Miss State is #2 in a low population state, but they are usually pretty decent. Rutgers was a straight market grab. Illinois has been terrible for a while. Maryland was an average football power AT BEST in the ACC, and they are less than that in the Big Ten. IU is rarely good either. Just my opinion.

I think they will always have fewer teams and less success in the playoffs than the SEC (technically, they are behind us in that, too).

Now, if the ACC football icons (VT FSU, CLEMSON and MIAMI evolves into TOP 15 program) ESPN can be encouraged to adjust the rights process.

I've heard the numbers you posted before and I think they are right. So, I think they only reason for B10 interest in one or more of Oregon, Stanford and Washington is to get ND, too. Otherwise, I don't think anything else P10 related makes sense for them. I assume we are now waiting to hear if ND is happy with their new TV contract. That is, do they get their $75M that allows them to stay competitive while still remaining independent? If ND is happy with their new contract, then I think we have a great shot at getting whatever teams we want from the P10.

From what I've observed, on Stanford has a chance to wiggle ND's needle even a little bit.

At least that is what I would do. Otherwise the ACC is challenged for survival long term. But I agree, ND contract decision is first and that will determine what comes next and when.

Something like this will work. It adds the 8 PAC12 schools plus WVU and Cincinnati. Only thing it doesn't have is Texas representation. We'd probably need to go to 9 or 10 conference games, and some permanent rivals like UVA-VT and Miami-FSU set up. But this would be a way for the ACC to get to 24. Coastal Conference (24) Eastern Boston College Syracuse Pittsburgh West Virginia Cincinnati Louisville Virginia Tech Miami Atlantic Virginia North Carolina Duke Wake Forest NC State Clemson Georgia Tech Florida St Pacific Stanford California Oregon Washington Arizona Arizona St Utah Colorado

Here is one option that spreads out the top teams. Three guaranteed games each year, and lots of room for variety. This is with 24 teams. If you only got with 20 teams then cut out the South West group. North: BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU (new) Central: NCSU, VT, L'ville, Kansas (new) South: Duke, UVA, Clemson, UNC Deep South: GT, UM, FSU, WF North West: Oregon (new), UW (new), Stanford (new), Cal (new) South West: Utah (new), Colorado (new), AZ (new), AZ St (new)

The premise behind adding teams like Oregon and Washington and Stanford to your roster that includes Clemson, FSU and Miami is that those teams play and you have something to sell. Separating 24 teams into 3 large divisions ensures you lose out on marquee games. Unless you go Tier A, Tier B, Tier C, (Example: Tier A would be Clemson, Oregon, Miami, FSU, Washington, Louisville, UNC and maybe Stanford) which then promotes unequal revenue sharing and, ultimately, collapse. A better way to separate 24 teams but ensure they all play each other in a reasonable amount of time is breaking them into four 6-team divisions, so you have 5 rivals every year. Then there are 18 teams left. So....play 6 home/away every two years. That way, you play everybody at least twice in a 24 team conference in a 6 year span. Now, this means 11 conference games. Which honestly, I could see major conferences moving towards. Fox and ESPN ain't paying $100M a year to a school to go play Samford. If you have a 12-game season, you could schedule one game versus another power conference. the imbalanced 11 game conference schedule means you in turn schedule your home/away non conference games accordingly to ensure 6 home games a year. Thus, a better way to split that 24 team conference would be to first go get two Texas schools instead of Arizona. You only need 6 schools on the West Coast in this layout, and Arizona just doesn't fit geographically. East BC, Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Cincinnati, Louisville Atlantic UVA, UNC, Duke, NC State, WF, VT Southern FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson, Baylor, Ok State Pacific Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal, Utah, Colorado

based on population and future growth. I think adding both is better than just picking one. Texas is already controlled by SEC. Adding 1 Texas school is probably enough. Which one? The one that brings the most television viewers after Texas and A&M. Oklahoma State is a good choice but would the ACC rather add Kansas since they're their state's #1 brand and brings in the KC TV market? I know it's about football, but KU has an iconic basketball program that would add to ACC Basketball. The ACC needs to add #1 brands from each state, not runner-ups like Pitt and Louisville that they have for the past decade.

I was realizing no Texas on what I posted. I think we need someone from Texas in it too.

** Edited by Stech at 7/27/2022, 12:19:39 PM

the opposite coast. And for interest in both leagues to grow on each coast. Putting the two conferences together without much coast to coast play just means one less championship game and maybe one less CFP slot for the collective.

I just put together how we'd get to 24 if we merged. I'd add in WVU and Cincinnati instead of WSU and OSU.