Then is this rumor simply a way for the SEC to bait the BIG into joining them in splitting up the ACC? Assuming that each league wants a "limited" expansion beyond 16 each, they likely both prefer 4 new teams to 8 teams or larger. With the current rumor being spread, the SEC makes it known they are interested in UNC and UVA - the 2 first options of the BIG in the southeast for market size, new but contiguous states, and "academics" (although I would say UNC's academic scandal ranks up there with the worst of the SEC). The SEC also knows that those 2 schools would strongly prefer the BIG to the SEC. Therefore, throw up the rumor and get the BIG to start making offers to ACC schools. Very quickly you are at 6-8 teams wanting to leave the ACC and having options to leave. The combined effort of the SEC and BIG then results in the GOR (supposedly) blowing up. In this scenario, I see the SEC grabbing FSU and Clemson (per the rumor & who they want) and then settling for VT and NCSU - when the BIG offers UVA and UNC. They would agree NCSU was their 2nd NC target (but know that UNC is unlikely). They also get VT - the more SEC like school - especially when it comes to football. So where does the BIG end up? They take UNC and UVA (which they definitely prefer) and then get selective. Force ND to make a decision first and then grab one to three of the AAU schools left - GT, Miami and/or Duke. All three are smaller, private universities that only fit into the SEC because Vandy needs a partner. (and Vandy is not moving any needles in this process, in fact they only hope that the next iteration in 10 years isn't dropping/ demoting some schools from the BIG and SEC). In addition, it sounds like Miami is on the outs because Florida is already allowing FSU to join within their state. If it goes beyond 20 in each conference, then I see the PAC/Big 12 teams moving (as well as whoever is left in the Big East alumni). After all, they can be picked off 1 or 2 at a time - no minimum number of schools needed to break their GOR or league loyalties. ** Edited by mjfhokie at 7/7/2022, 6:35:33 PM

The article says that even if 6 teams were to leave the ACC, "That’s not a guarantee that the contract signed by every ACC member, originally in 2013 then again for an amended version in 2016, can be broken." If 6 teams leave the ACC, the schools left behind will sue to enforce the grand of rights and exit fees on all departing schools. ** Edited by tarheelblue at 7/7/2022, 3:40:00 PM ** Edited by tarheelblue at 7/7/2022, 3:44:02 PM

The ACC Grant of Rights. What are the clauses, what are the voting procedures, what would need to happen, to break or void or otherwise cancel that agreement? Not speculation and guesses about lawsuits, but hard facts. Has there been an article that lists the procedures for this? Surely it is part of that agreement, or part of the ACC by-laws on voting procedure. I missed that article if so. Where is the true investigative reporting on this issue and the league? Is our media really that bad, or is there some privacy issue that blocks this from public knowledge?

is the second line copied from the article. "There’s talk around the ACC that if just six current members decide they want out and legally challenge the league’s grant of rights, the rest of the conference — and the deal that tethers it together — could come crumbling apart" I have no idea if it is true, so I wouldn't guarantee it, which is why I phrased like they said in the article.

Like, you "could" win the powerball jackpot if you buy a ticket. This article is just pure speculation on the part of some journalist trying to make something into a sensationalist article. There's no substance to it. 6 ACC schools leaving together won't be able to break the GoR any more than 1 leaving could. ** Edited by tarheelblue at 7/7/2022, 4:03:46 PM

I'm just trying to give my perspective on this particular article.

all being told to get something out there while the subject his hot. Meanwhile the schools and Conferences are being hush hush. We now know that Texas and Oklahoma and USC and UCLA had been going on for a least a couple of months before anybody got wind of it. It used to be that people visited, but now everyone can have meetings virtually. In fact, with USC and UCLA they did not talk until the deal was done and it was two weeks before the announcement according to the USC people.

Let's say that 8 ACC schools and Notre Dame leave and the remaining 6 schools sue and win in court. I'm sure that ESPN will not renew a contract with a 6 team ACC but will those 6 remaining ACC members receive the media rights money from every departing member until 2036? If they do, that could be $100-120 million per team until 2036. Plus, add on to what they earn annually from the ACCN/ESPN deal and those 6 ACC schools will be wealther than the SEC or B1G schools through 2036. I may be 100% wrong, but just asking?

Because all the media revenue stays with the conference for the duration of the GoR regardless of what conference the schools are in. And that is in addition to the conference exit fee, which in the ACC is 3x the annual conference distribution. I think the ACC distribution last year was $36 million. So 3x that would be over $100 million.

Oregon and Washington. B1G has Notre Dame as one of their ACC additions. That leaves 5 ACC schools to pick off. Maybe this UVA, UNC, Clemson and FSU to SEC rumor isn't that far fetched? The B1G may have to wait a long time for Notre Dame to answer. Could be some time before six ACC schools can break the GOR.

Oregon is doing well now, but is Oregon a long-term play? Is Washington?

ND bound by the GOR but unable to vote on dissolution. Who knows, though ?

like discussed below (FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC St, UVa, VT) and they would know/bet it would be inevitable that the BIG would soon thereafter take at least 2 more (ND, Miami, GT, Syr, Pitt, BC)......that happens and there's no more GOR

Keep Independence in the ACC, or bite the B1G bullet for the $$$$$?

I am quiet because there is absolutely no ND news regarding realignment. None. Zero. Zilch. ND is rigged for silent running. No leaks. No statements. No nuthin'.

FSU, Clemson, UNC, Duke, UVa, VT and essentially cuts off the south from the BIG. Leftovers would be NC St, Wake, GT, Miami. Can't see the BIG going for them.

in many articles these days as most are just throwing $#!+ against the wall hoping something might stick and knowing if it doesn't few will remember and fewer still will call them out for their BS analysis. Hell, the current flavor of the moment cited the little Miata Boy Holden Thorp one of the more celebrated members of the Useless President's Club. ** Edited by 2hhoop3 at 7/7/2022, 4:57:36 PM

Georgia Tech Atlanta market AAU school Puts B1G right in the heart of SEC country Miami elite academics South Florida market lots of retirees from B1G states down there

Going up against UGA with GT is a losing proposition. Miami going up against UF is a losing proposition.

decent option for them. I also don't think the SEC would mind/worry about that at all.

people, it's fans that count.

there is no reason that Duke and UNC couldn't play once or even twice a year in basketball. There might even be an arrangement for the remaining ACC football teams to play in the Big 12 for football. I bet WVU would like some teams closer to them.

to me, it's almost more important for the SEC to grab both Virginia schools plus UNC to lock out the BIG from both of those states. If the SEC were to leave one of UVa/VT, the BIG could easily snatch them up with an NC school and claim both markets. If the state of Virginia is taken away, along with UNC, it's slim pickings for the BIG.

you lock it up. The SEC has no problem with two teams from a state and the B!G just took two from the same city to lock up that city. Granted that city is huge, but the state of Virginia is almost 9 million. That's nothing to sneeze at either. PS It would help UVA and UNC with the sports that the SEC doesn't have and I just don't think Duke wants to put SEC energy and money into football.

their stadium. While many ACC schools do not fill Dukes when playing them in Durham.