P-2 w/24 teams each - who you have in and out?
Big 10
Current 16 - USC, UCLA, Michigan, Michigan St. Ohio St. Penn St, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska
SEC
Current 16 - LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi St. Arkansas, Missouri, Texas A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Big 10 gets 8 more (in order): Notre Dame, Oregon, Washington, North Carolina, Virginia, Arizona, Stanford, Louisville
SEC gets 8 more (in order) Clemson, Florida St. NC State, Arizona St., VT, Oklahoma St., Baylor, Miami
Last four out: Pitt, Texas Tech, West Virginia, Colorado
Last four in: VT, Baylor, Miami, Louisville
New Big 10 - 4 divisions of 6
A - USC, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona, Oregon, Washington
B - North Carolina, Virginia, Louisville, Maryland, Rutgers, Penn St.
C - Michigan, Michigan St., Ohio St., Notre Dame, Indiana, Purdue
D - Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern
New SEC - 4 divisions of 6
A - Florida, Georgia, Florida St, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
B - VT, NC State, Miami, Clemson, South Carolina, Missouri
C - LSU, Ole miss, Miss St., Arkansas, Alabama, Auburn
D - Texas A&M, Baylor, Oklahoma St., Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona St.
and yes, that's 8 ACC members moving which I think can dissolve the GOR and conference. Pac 12 and Big 12 members are easily able to be poached right now. Need to break ACC to make this happen.
Left out from current P-5 to P-2 (17):
Pitt, GT, Duke, BC, Wake, Syracuse, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St., TCU, West Virginia, Cal, Colorado, Utah, Oregon St., Washington St.
What do you think? Who do you swap?
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4y
SEC is a lot harder. In TV and $$ sense, nobody brings anything. Maybe compete for the VA and NC market. Possibly Miami TV market. SEC doesn’t need Clemson or FSU but hard to keep them out. Maybe Atlanta TV market. Going west for TV viewers who do you take. I think Big 10 adds are easier than SEC adds. But ND can stay indie if it goes to P2. It gets its own contract and gets paydays from both P2 conferences. They no longer have to play a diluted ACC schedule. Think of the yearly pickings for ND if all they have to play is the P2.
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obguthr
4y
18-20 for each and then it's over. Clemson and FSU are valuable now, but if left outside for a few years, they will cease to be. SEC knows they don't have to add them. They can let them die on the vine.
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4y
Fine now and don’t need more than a few more teams max. Why split the money 6 more ways? Clemson , UNC, ND, UVa & UM are the main ones for four spots. The Big Ten is telling Oregon and Washington to sit still. Please stop dreaming of 30 team conferences.
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4y
Since they will only be playing among themselves (including their own football playoff), that would allow them to have the 4 quad champions play each other in a semi-final round, the winners play in the conference championship game, and the the Big Ten champion vs. the SEC champion in the Collegiate Super Bowl. If the Big Ten and SEC expand playing against only themselves to all sports, then both will want to have enough schools for all the sports they currently sponsor without asking its members to add sports.
Plus, from a scheduling standpoint expanding to 24 will give the conference more flexibility in terms of scheduling games against teams from the other quads. If the Big Ten and SEC split into 2 divisions of 9 or 10, then they will be limited to how often they could play teams from the other division. 4 quads of 6 will allow teams 7 slots to be divided up among the other 3 quads. Another option is to adopt the NFL model where you play the other teams in your quad home and away in the same season (10 games). The remaining 2 games would be used for teams from another quad. The conferences could either pair 2 quads together so the 2 games rotate through the other quad or the 2 games could rotate through the other 3 quads.
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4y
If enough schools in the SEC don't want to see them end up in the Big Ten, then they might have to take one for the team.
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No one knows. This isn't based on merit.
And it's not even based on a set of known criteria. It's numbers crunchers behind a curtain determining the fates of longstanding and proud athletic programs. Zero transparency. It's a national embarrassment.
BTW, no way would the B1G take Louisville.
I also don't think there will be a set number. The SEC and B1G might not end up with the same amount of schools.
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4y
Glad to see somebody else who believes this. "ALL" of the conferences will grow and organize themselves to their maximum configuration. The numbers may match somehow but it would be a coincidence. I see these two major conferences as being intensely in opposition to each other. They are not working to form a "P2" with a shared playoff, bowl system, etc. I predict that when The B1G completes their expansion and finalizes their new media deal, they will withdraw from the NCAA and form a new regulatory body. They will invite all and any conferences of all levels to join their new body. There will be a new playoff and bowl structure proposed. New BB tournament.
We can stop using terms like; Div I, Div II, FBS, FCS, because these are NCAA terms. We can stop using "P5" and "G5" because these are CFP designations. I am assuming that The B1G acts first, but The SEC might beat them to the punch. One of the two organizations will eventually reach a level of membership dominance that causes the other to join them. If you think college football is in turmoil now, stay tuned. Battle lines will not necessarily follow media partner affiliation.
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4y
conferences? If anything I could see the Big Ten and SEC agree to have their own playoff in football where the 2 conference champions play in a Collegiate Super Bowl. Heck they could do that for all the sports they sponsor and not miss a beat. The competition would still be their because they would only play games on their respective networks. Plus, there would be competition to see which network ends up with the rights to the various championship game/series.
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4y
There is no way in hell that the B1G would take Louisville over AAU member GT, and Fox will want the Atlanta tv market.
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