250thTrivia
Who was the first US president not born as a British subject?
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1mo
8th for me, 3rd for him, if memory serves
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Hurley09
1mo
I just read this the other day and I'm annoyed that I can't remember it.
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1mo
** Edited by Va AandM at 6/29/2026, 9:41:10 AM
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EDGEMAN
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** Edited by EDGEMAN at 6/29/2026, 10:15:31 AM
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1mo
Not his birth date, of course. But the final peace treaty with Great Britain was not signed until 1783, and British troops still occupied places like New York City and Charleston, SC. Before 1783, only a handful of countries recognized US as an independent country...
Morocco: June 23, 1777
France: Feb. 6, 1778
Holland: April 19, 1782
That's it. Just those three. I bet nobody here knew that Morocco was the first. I didn't until I just looked it up. Interestingly, Spain did not recognize the US until four years after they joined the war.
Now, if you're using the Declaration of Independence as the date, then yeah, Van Buren. Though the DOI wouldn't have been worth the paper it was written on had the war not been won first. But if you're using the final peace treaty and recognition of most of the civilized world, then it's John Tyler. (Edit: Actually, Zachary Taylor, not John Tyler.)
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1mo
date be May 12, 1784 since that was the date it was ratified?
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1mo
But countries started recognizing us in 1783, knowing that it would be ratified.
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1mo
when a new nation is truly independent. Is it when the war is over? When another nation recognizes their independence? Or when the peace treaty between the new nation and former parent nation is formally ratified? Why I think the debate is interesting is because people may have differing opinions to define that point in time. Now if we are using international law as the standard, then there may be clearly defined parameters on this topic.
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1mo
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1mo
... until the final peace treaty was signed.
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1mo
Which are the two most recent countries to formally recognize the US? Both recognitions came on the same date.
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1mo
Which country gave the first formal salute to a Continental warship? Recognizing the Colonies as a sovereign country?
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1mo
The Cook Islands, and Niue. Both on September 25, 2023.
Finally, we are totally validated as a nation.
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1mo
as sovereign nations.
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1mo
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