The loser of any P4 conference championship will lose to a very good team, so that loss should not matter very much at all wrt the CFP. It is sort of a half loss, imo, SEC or not.

private non-profit organization that is driven to make as much money as possible vs. a NCAA ran playoff that tries to promote fairness among all the participating conferences within a division level or subdivision level (if you are talking about the NCAA DI Football Playoffs). People like to blame the NCAA for a lot of stuff and most of the time the NCAA is deserving of the blame. However, this may be 1 of the things that the NCAA got right when you look at the structure for the NCAA DI, DII, and DIII Playoffs.

I personally think that UT, aTm, UGA, Tenn, Bama, and OleMiss are top 12 teams and should be in the playoffs. Heck - I think LSU could even beat most of the teams that will make the playoffs except maybe Org and Ohio St. - and I say this while I hate LSU. IF the purpose of the playoff is supposed to be a collection of the 12 best teams in the country and not a guaranteed participation spot for some lesser teams/conferences. I know this will not be a popular take .... ;-) ** Edited by 133193Hokie at 11/18/2024, 3:50:47 PM

** Edited by reestuart at 11/18/2024, 9:02:33 PM

the playoffs. Oh what the heck....since everyone knows that the SEC is really the NFL Junior Conference, every SEC team should be allowed to compete in the FBS Playoffs. After all everyone knows that any SEC team would be conference champion in any of the other FBS conferences....including the Big Ten. *snicker*

I see no scenario where the ACC will have a 1-loss team even available to be chosen. The winner of SMU and Miami goes (Clemson loses all tiebreakers unless SMU loses twice or Miami once down the stretch) Clemson will definitely have a chance if they beat South Carolina over a 3-loss SEC team. It will be close I'd wager and that is the debate, 2-loss Clemson or 2-loss Miami or 2-loss SMU over a 3-loss SEC team, I think only Clemson has a chance as they would be coming off a win over South Carolina where the other one lost the ACC Champ game. The ACC Champ game pretty much knocks one of our two out this year and is plain not worth it.

opinion. And oh by the way - neither is SMU.

it are in it. ALL undefeated teams have shown they could ALL one loss teams have shown they might 3 loss teams have demonstrated they probably can't...25% bad days is a lot So that leaves 2 loss teams to argue about And unless you lose a conference championship game in OT, you probably don't belong

I also don't think that's the purpose of the 12 team playoff. The purpose is to make more money. And specifically to make more money for the P2. I don't think there's ever 12 teams that demonstrate they are worthy of a shot at a championship.

Everything is predetermined by what conference you are in, not anything close to being about an equal playing field to determine the best team.

The purpose of the criteria to be selected for the playoff is to ensure that it is subjective, which allows the SEC and BIG to get more teams in. All you have to do is compare it to the NFL. Same sport, professional league, very successful and popular model. The playoffs are earned based on records within their division and within the conference. The wildcards are determined consistently based on the results from games played. It's not based on polls, or subjective guesses as to strength of schedule. Lots of teams belong. But not all of them will get a chance to prove it because the money dictates which conferences will get more entries.

selecting an at large team other than some rationale suggesting they are one of the top 12. With 2 games left in the regular season for most teams; the highest ranked 3 loss team is at #18 (USCE). The only 0 and 1 loss teams not in the top 12 are SMU, BYU, and Army. There are more losses to be had but very few 3 loss teams have made it into the top 12 in previous years. Unless the number of regular season games increases, that shouldn't change drastically in the future. ** Edited by daveinop at 11/20/2024, 1:56:51 PM

That's why they are guaranteed multiple slots, with the option for additional "at large" selections.

that no one outside the SEC & B1G & ND are capable of winning 3 or 4 games- and hate to say it but they wouldn't be wrong. And of course that was pretty much the idea from the beginning anyway.

can do it; but there are some teams that have proven they can't and there are others with better records where the jury is out teams that have lost 25% of their games don't belong in a playoff, no matter what they looked like on paper when the season started

i mean the reality is the 4 team playoff probably did the best at only including schools with a legit shot. But it was boring, repetitive, exclusive, and there was a way to make a lot for money. However the 12 team playoff is a joke competitively- football isn't a sport where an underman team can pull off 3 or 4 upsets in as many weeks. So frankly I dont care who is included because we all know every year the champion is going to be from one, two or three schools at most.

Vandy Portal team beat Bama for the first time in decades. Like Saban said, the second stringers leave to play somewhere else, and injuries can be devastating.(Florida State last year) The SEC is still the best, but teams aren’t dominating like they we’re just 3 years ago.

Extra scholarships now that the total scholarships are increasing. And why did they want more scholarships to offer.

Especially in the “if you don’t play you transfer era”. Maybe the intent was to make up for that, but it seems you could also kill the culture with players that have no chance of playing. 🤷‍♂️

All this SEC talk has been their smoke and mirrors approach for a long time. Play only 8 in conference but talk it up as if their 8 games are harder than 9 for anyone else. Then prop up the teams that finish with 2 or 3 losses even though their wins are boosted by a bigger OOC schedule. Just one example. Missouri at 7-3 played OOC: Murray St. Buffalo Boston College UMass and side question, if Washington State ends up 10-2 are they in from the PAC? This would also maybe bump an ACC/B12 team. ** Edited by HokieAl at 11/18/2024, 12:04:55 PM

That’s assuming A&M beats Texas. All of the remaining 2-loss teams should be heavily favored in the rest of their games. In this scenario A&M is the only team with 1 conference loss, so they are in the SECCG. Not sure what the tiebreaker would be for the remaining 5, but Alabama seems to have played the toughest schedule. In this scenario, I could actually see A&M at 10-3 getting left out (but not Alabama at 10-3). Another team might have to be eliminated as well, as the Big-10 and ND might have a lock on 5 spots. See, this is the debate they will be having on ESPN. A 2-loss ACC or Big-12 runner up will not even enter into this discussion.

Eight or nine spots in the 12-team CFP field will be distributed to SEC and B1G teams. So, which conferences do you think are going to win it every year? There will rarely, if ever, be more than 1 ACC team in the CFP. It doesn't matter if the ACC runner-up is 12-1. The only ACC team that gets in will be the team that wins the ACCCG. Frankly, they should just stop staging the ACCCG.

for it with a likely a home game. Who cares they don’t get a first round bye? They got a bye Conference Championship weekend. Others in the SEC are probably saying we are better off not making the Champ Game if we lose. We are better staying home, resting our players, and not risking another loss. If you don’t believe me ask Notre Dame!

All the CCGs really accomplish is ensuring one of your best teams gets one more loss. And nobody really even cares about them the CFP era, especially the 12+ team CFP era. It's just not compelling TV like it was in the BCS era and prior. The winners AND losers of the SEC and B1G game are both going to make the CFP field anyway. So, who cares? Just get rid of them.

them, but not for the rest of College Football. Even the SEC and Big 10 with all their National Championships, look amateur negotiating against them. You have to give them credit for that, even if you don’t like it.

And that 13th game should be a flex game within the conference in case there are two undefeated teams. And everyone else can play a team that they didn't already play to finish out the schedule. I always felt the CGs were trying to fit a round peg into a square whole, plus they are neutral site games (gross).

Not everyone was even playing 13 games anyway, just the conference champ participants. If ESPN really wants the 13th game to create compelling content, the ACC and Big 12 should just agree to flex schedule 2 big OOC blockbusters every year between teams their media partners want. Screw hearing about OOC match-ups scheduled to be played in 2049. Imagine if it looks like VT and WVU are both set up well for the next season, and, SURPRISE, ESPN announces in February that the Black Diamond Trophy game is getting played on week zero the next season at M&T Bank Stadium. People would go insane. It would be a Coliseum atmosphere. Frankly, as things stand now, just about anything would be more compelling than a CCG, and would also come with the benefit of not guaranteeing one of your best teams has one more loss at the end of the year when they're setting the CFP field. ** Edited by Baltimore_Hokie at 11/18/2024, 11:45:41 AM

season game and it isn't the conference championship game either. The only requirement is that the team must play a regular season game at Hawai'i. 17.11.6 Number of Contests. [FBS/FCS] 17.11.6.1 Maximum Limitations -- Institutional. [FBS/FCS] In bowl subdivision football, a member institution shall limit its total regular-season playing schedule with outside competition during the permissible football playing season in any one year to 12 contests (games or scrimmages), except as provided for member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii, under Bylaw 17.31.2, and except as provided for all members under Bylaw 17.11.6.2. In championship subdivision football, a member institution shall limit its total regular-season playing schedule with outside competition during the permissible football playing season in any one year to 11 contests (games or scrimmages), except as provided for member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii, under Bylaw 17.31.2, and except as provided for all members under Bylaw 17.11.6.2. Twelve football contests shall be permissible during those years in which there are 14 Saturdays from the first permissible playing date through the last playing date in November (e.g., 2024, 2025). (Revised: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/02, 8/5/99 effective 8/1/02, 4/28/05 effective 8/1/06, 12/15/06) 17.31 Exceptions for Member Institutions Located in Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico. 17.31.2 Alaska/Hawaii, Additional Football Contest. Member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii shall be permitted to exceed, by one, the maximum number of football contests permitted under Bylaw 17.11.6.1 but otherwise shall conform to the same maximum number of contests and dates of competition permitted other members of the Association. Some teams have used this bylaw in the past to play an extra home game to help offset the travel costs. For example last season New Mexico State played 13 regular season games, participated in the C-USA Conference Championship Game, and a bowl game. DI-FCS schools are willing to play at Hawai'i because it means getting to play 12 regular season games in years where the other teams are limited to only 11 regular season games. I have always thought that Hawai'i should be the only DI-FBS Independent team because of its location. Plus, it would allow Hawai'i the opportunity to play every regular season game at home if so desired.

equipment containers to Hawaii. That'd be one hell of a trip! I wonder if the Hokie faithful would travel that far.

opportunity for the Corps of Cadets. Specifically I am referring to potential media coverage for when the coaches, players, and other school officials who go on the trip visit Pearl Harbor and the USS Arizona Memorial. Depending on when the team flies out there, other similar arranged outings could be scheduled to help promote various academic programs at VT. Heck if I was a college football HC, then I would want my team to play at Hawai'i as often as possible. Depending on the state and federal tax codes at the time the game is played, schools may be able to write off some of the cost as a business expense. ** Edited by VTHokie2000 at 11/19/2024, 6:17:14 PM

...teams. Rankings play a huge role, and P2 teams get the benefit of the doubt when losing. If an SEC team loses a game to another SEC team, they may drop two places in the poll, but if an ACC or B12 team loses a conference game, they are guaranteed to drop a minimum of 5 places. That's how you keep the cash in the P2 conferences.

bid; 1 or 2-loss Big Ten team vs. 3-loss SEC team. I think it rubs some people the wrong way that the ACC and/or Big XII may not be included in the discussion which triggered the debate below. Given the way the wind appears to be blowing right now, the next FBS Playoff contract in 2 years could be very interesting to see what ends up being the final agreement. It may even be eye-opening to a lot of people if the wording suggests/implies that the ACC and Big XII are no longer considered to be a "power conference."

in all likely hood still be a top 5 conference champion.