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Big12 guy OP
May 17, 2024 at 10:07 AM ET
At last years ACC meeting, they announced a tweak of uneven
post season money distribution, and that the discussions and amounts were ongoing. Obviously, it wasn't enough of a move to keep FSU and Clemson "happy". That was all before the playoff monies were known, and what the distributions from he playoff would be. I can not find a direct link to how diving up the post season money would look like, but I have read that it would be paid in units in regards to Bowls, Playoff invite, finishing in the top 25, and NCAA tournament units. Does anyone on this board know where I can look to find specifics? Also, the new distributions from the guaranteed playoff money - which is separate from the media contract, could be enough of a pot of gold to keep the performers of the conference happy???? (not a statement, but a question to the board).

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INSIDE99
ACC Football spending budget gaps
One of the main complaints from FSU/Clemson is how the other ACC schools invest very little back into the football program despite equal revenue sharing. This chart (although seeming askew) demonstrates that FSU/Clemson is spending more than double what other ACC programs invest into football. Not sure too many wise businessmen in this world would desire to be in an association where more than 3/4 of the other members are investing half of what they do while asking for the same returns. I see FSU/Clemson calling such a "free coat tail ride". They are somewhat correct like it or not. You get what you pay for.
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Big12 guy OP
That is a very informative graph, compiled by the dept of education?
I'd like to know the qualifiers, and how they compiled this, but I'm not disputing the findings - I'd just like to see the breakdown. I'd also like to see athletic budgets as a whole put into a graph as well, but even that can be misleading. For instance - are we talking salaries? Stadiums? Number of personnel? Cost of scholarships? Institutional support, and numerous other factors. We do know that players salaries and NIL are not included, right? What exactly is that money spent on, and who reported those numbers? I am from the camp that conferences should have a minimum amount that should be spent for football, a bar for facilities, and a number of other factors. I think FSU and others that have been investing into their programs have a legitimate gripe, especially when others in the conference seem to just cash the checks, and nothing ever changes. Also, I'd be interested in the comparison before the recent realignment started with Texas and Oklahoma. Spending for one year for some (Duke?) does not show how they have invested in the past - which would be very telling.
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33laszlo99
That graphic is the work of Tony Altimore. The data comes from The Dept.
of Education, Equity In Athletics Database. This reveals so much. For example, P4 athletes each require $358.9 k per year, that's about $1000 per day. If Ohio State has about 1000 (almost) athletes, that's almost $1,000,000 per day. ** Edited by 33laszlo99 at 5/17/2024, 6:59:13 PM ** Edited by 33laszlo99 at 5/17/2024, 7:06:43 PM ** Edited by 33laszlo99 at 5/17/2024, 7:15:42 PM
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INSIDE99
True
These graphic numbers are not fully accurate by any means. It was pointed out by others that some of this data will include capital expenses and some data does not, while NIL costs from Collectives are not available for example. I was surprised by Miami being that high in 2023 however, Hmmmmmm. Their NIL funding is big. Just no results on the field yet. But yes, the spending differences are significant between the top of the chain to the rest. Yet revenue sharing is equal. Not a good formula for business. The Duke football facilities are not far off from some high school levels. Worst locker room I have ever been in.
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Big12 guy OP
KU's facilities would rival Dukes in that regard. They are finally going
to fix the stadium, but about 20 years too late. Duke and KU also have some historic basketball arenas, and won't change those anytime soon, but both schools lacked in the football department. How much do you want to bet KU's facility spending next year shows up in those numbers, and they will be at the top - like TCU who just spent a fortune on their stadium. All that being said, there should not be a large disparity in the football budgets in any conference. The MAC appears to be the only conference left that is actually acting like a conference.
MrBayAreaHokie MrBayAreaHokie
it's like van halen
they split everything four ways, but there was a lot of griping over the years about Michael Anthony getting an equal 25%
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WarHog38
Then they Kicked Anthony Out for Wolfgang
Ditched by the Van Halen brothers for Eddie's chubby kid. They also cut that 25% and made Anthony a paid by the gig bass player a few years before he was fired. Hard to find a long time band member being treated that shabby by his band mates. Always thought David Lee Roth made that band. Good lead guitarist are a dime a dozen in the history of hard rock. I am a record collector. Could write about music until everybody here was sick of hearing it. Pardon me for going off on this, it riled me how Anthony was done.
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ancient alien 2018
Been a few others: Brian Jones, founder of The Stones, was booted out. And
let's not forget Pete Best, The Beatles drummer ditched in Germany for Ringo Starr.
MrBayAreaHokie MrBayAreaHokie
i'm sure Ringo was a lot cooler to hang out with
Have you watched that 60 hours or whatever it was, of Beatles vids that Disney put out. Ringo - the guy you want to hang out with Paul - undisputed CEO of the Beatles John - funny, but not really the leader George - little brother complex...immature compared to the others
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WarHog38
Looking at the cover of Abbey Road, Looks More Like:
John - Preacher Ringo - Undertaker Paul - Barefoot Corpse George - Gravedigger Did Billy Shears replace Paul McCartney as a Beatles member when McCartney died in a Nov., 1966 car crash? Billy Shears had been in a local London band in those mid 1960's days and even had won contests as a Paul McCartney look-a-like. You look at pictures of the two men from that era. Shears was a taller man than McCartney and the pictures bare out McCartney becoming a taller man after 1966. You also listen to the fade out on Strawberry Fields Forever, you will clearly hear John Lennon say, "I buried Paul." I have also seen a video where John, George & Ringo, are sitting down at a dining table and remark, 'Where is Billy at? I don't know if Paul McCartney died or not? However a good plastic surgeon could get the job done with similar looking people from the get go. The Beatles were a cash cow nobody wanted to see ended by a car crash. Whatever, the Beatles played to Paul being dead. You can see that below.
MrBayAreaHokie MrBayAreaHokie
I think they did this all as a joke honestly
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WarHog38
Brian Jones Winded Up at the Bottom of a Swimming Pool
Phil Lynott got kicked out of Skid Row by Brush Shiels. Shiels wanted a power trio (ZZ Top is power trio most would know) and Lynott was the 4th man out as the vocalist. Gary Moore (legendary British rock guitarist) was the lead guitarist in Skid Row and took Lynott under his wing after he was kicked out, teaching Lynott how to play bass. Lynott took his bass playing and formed Thin Lizzy around it. becoming a big international rock band. Greg Rolie & Neal Schon left Santana to form Journey. Rolie & Schon left after Santana's 4th album. The first three Santana records are hard rock must haves. However there was always a battle within that band early on between members wanting hard rock and others that wanted the Latin tinged jazz. Carlos himself favored the jazz. By the 4th record, those wanting the jazz had won out. That is why Schon & Rolie left. Of course Santana went on to have great commercial success with the jazz tinged records. Journey was also a huge band in popularity back then. Correct, a book could be written on these bands that shuffled members for the betterment of music & otherwise. Anthony was just a little odd due to his decades in Van Halen during their glory years to be dumped in their twilight.
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EDGEMAN
Hopefully he invested well when he was getting an equal share.
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Vippie1
More like FSU and Clemson think they are Daryl Hall
and the rest of the ACC is John Oates.
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OrlandoHokie
The whole Hall and Oates thing is upsetting. Those guys are my heroes. Dang
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WarHog38
Do You have His Gulliver record?
That was his first band in 1970
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VintonHokies
From a Yahoo sports article yesterday:
"But there is help on the way. In an effort to appease its football powers and reward their success, the ACC enacted last year their own uneven distribution of wealth. The league is using its CFP monies, normally evenly distributed, to create what it terms a “success initiative” fund that pays units to individual schools based on reaching benchmarks in football, according to those familiar with the model: (1) qualifying for a bowl game, (2) finishing in the top 25 and (3) participating and advancing in the CFP. The value of a unit is estimated to be $2-4 million, depending on the overall conference CFP distribution. An ACC team can earn as much as $25 million if it advances to the championship game.""
Maroon Baboon Maroon Baboon
Pay based on merit is always a good idea. But might not be enough for FSU.
25 million to make the CFP CG would still have them behind a B1G or SEC school that doesn't even make a bowl game for that year. Plus, FSU is probably looking for guaranteed money. It might be too little too late.
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Big12 guy OP
Are those just proposals? What would it take for the top teams of the ACC
to be competitive with the P2? I would like to see something like that in the B12 as well, as there is a lot of parity in that conference, and I say, let the spoils go to the programs that invest and perform.
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INSIDE99
Too late - TV money
The best thing the ACC could have done to keep the conference together would have been to renegotiate a new TV contract. Unfortunately, they signed an ESPN contract in 2016 that was supposed to run for 20 years and ESPN is not interested in paying more now. It's a big reason ESPN has not yet extended the contract yet past 2026. With that known, the ACC should have been shopping networks for any type of new deal. I believe they have to a degree but no network is biting. The only way to make ACC teams like FSU and Clemson get the money the P2 is offering is through another TV deal. Otherwise, everyone in the ACC is about to fall $30-$40 million behind the P2 annually. There is no fix at this point.