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Apr 03, 2024 at 06:51 PM ET
College Football “Super League” Proposed
"The current CST outline would create a system that would have the top 70 programs — all members of the five former major conferences, plus Notre Dame and new ACC member SMU — as permanent members and encompass all 130-plus FBS universities," Marchand and Mandel reported. "The perpetual members would be in seven 10-team divisions, joined by an eighth division of teams that would be promoted from the second tier."

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Stech
Only ACC listened, not th SEC, not th B1G, not even th B12, tells you a lot
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Truthahn
If the P2 don't join it, I say we do it anyway.
Just do it with four G5 groups, one each for the AAC, MVC, Sunbelt and then everyone else. If the P2 come along later, then drop that back to one.
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EDGEMAN
Yup
The P2 isn't going to willingly give up their massive financial advantage.
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INSIDE99
Collective Bargaining
Two aspects are not going to change... 1. The B1G and SEC want to keep their brand name 2. Big markets don't want to share revenue anymore There are several platforms being discussed involving the evolution of college football, this is one of them. Regardless of the platform adopted...dealing with NIL, Transfer Portal, Title IX and court settlements coming down the pike will be dealt with through collective bargaining. We just don't know who the collective will be. This CST group is spearheaded by presidents at Syracuse and WVU and a few other ACC members. I don't think the P2 is interested in this concept. "While the ACC board of directors reportedly listened to a presentation from CST officials, the Big Ten, SEC and Big 12 all canceled plans for a similar sit-down." I see a super conference of 48 teams. Maybe a few more.
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EDGEMAN
The P2 currently has a massive financial advantage they do not want to lose
Don't see them going for this proposal.
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INSIDE99
P2 attachment
The fact there are no P2 affiliates attached to this proposal sums it up.
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EDGEMAN
Yup
Maroon Baboon Maroon Baboon
I doubt anyone in the P2 is proposing this. But I don't hate the idea.
Like the mini relegation and promotion thing with the G5. And it would be cool to hopefully bring back regionalism to the sport. Although the one G5 10-team division would be national. Probably have teams stretching from Boise to App State, or Tulane to Western Michigan. However, divisions should probably be an odd number (11 perhaps) so teams will play the same amount of road games and home games in their division. Would be fun to be the one charged with carving up the map on this though. ** Edited by Maroon Baboon at 4/3/2024, 10:32:38 PM
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SMU Pony
I do wonder if the networks might go for this...
...particularly if you remove the 2-3 bodybag OOC games and have 9 games in your divisions + 3 OOC games vs other "Super League" teams. Look at Ohio State's football schedule this year: https://fbschedules.com/2024-ohio-state-football-schedule/ To begin the season, they do not play a meaningful football game FOR A MONTH. Now imagine if they played their original Big Ten schools (1989 version) in conference play and then instead of Akron, WMU and Marshall they got Oregon, Penn State and another name brand school in their OOC games. I'd wager that would be a much more valuable slate of games to sell to the networks.
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Truthahn
Even the G5 group would be interesting, given the pro/rel scheme.
Those games would have a lot on the line!
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
Interesting concept. Not sure I get why there would be just 1 division
that is comprised of exclusively teams "promoted from the second tier." If the promotion is permanent, then why not say that? If it is a promotion-relegation system, then what is the incentive to participate if all 10 teams will be relegated at the end of the season or 2 seasons? I say 2 seasons because the only reason promotion-relegation works in soccer is because a team gets to play every other team in the league home and away in the same season. Currently the college football scheduling model isn't structured that way and it doesn't appear the Super League schedule would be structured that way unless the regular season is expanded so each team can play 18 division games. If nothing else is would be a starting point for further discussions.
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Truthahn
Maybe you could do the promotion by G5 conference?
The G5 conference winners all go up in place of the lowest G5 of their same conference in the super league G5 division? That way, five of the SL G5 would get replaced and five would stay. Maybe you mandate that every G5 conference gets two teams in the SL G5 division, so one always stays in for the next year, or two years?
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
They would be a place to start the discussions. One issue that may come up
is what impact would this league have on GORs and/or conference media contracts. It is possible that each conference could have its own GOR and/or media contract. It is entirely possible the media contracts are with a different provider than the Super League's contract. Also, it is entirely possible the end date of the GORs and/or media contracts are different than the end date of Super League's GOR and/or media contract. Depending on the players involved, it could get interesting and messy to see them try to sort that issue out even if the G5s decided to do it by themselves. The other potential sticky issue is whether the G5s have a stronger claim that the Super League violates antitrust laws if the G5s are the only schools subject to promotion/relegation. If the P5s are never in danger of being relegated, then what is their incentive to try to compete vs. just coast and keep on collecting those checks? Heck you could even says the P5 division will continue the status quo of what currently exists in the P2 World because there is no punishment for teams that finish at the bottom of the conference or division for the Super League scenario.
Maroon Baboon Maroon Baboon
You don't need a home and home schedule to do relegation and promotion.
It coincidentally is that way in the Premier League, but it doesn't have to be that way unless you want to do 18 games, which I doubt anyone does. The way it makes it sound in the article is that the G5 teams would have their own "league", but 10 teams would rotate in somehow (or at least have relegation and promotion of SOME teams in it each year. In other words, maybe only 4 teams get relegated instead of all 10. But it is unclear. The big problem to me is that within each 10-team division is that some teams will have 5 home and 4 away, while others have 4 and 5. An easy way to fix that is to just do divisions with an odd number of teams in it. 11 teams perhaps. Assuming they stay at 12 regular season games, that would give schools 5 home, 5 away, 2 OOC. I am also assuming that all division winners would make the playoffs, with a bunch of at-large bids.
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
It isn't coincidental that the EPL intentionally did it that way when you
factor in that each EPL club doesn't offer the same value in terms of gate revenue and fan appeal. I can guarantee that every EPL club will tell you that Man United, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, and even Everton are more valuable than Luton Town, Brentford, Burnley, Bournemouth, Brighton & Hove Albion, or Nottingham Forest. The same is true for college athletics. If you were AD at VT, then which group would you want for your home schedule? Group A: Clemson, FSU, Miami, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Texas Group B: Wake, BC, Indiana, Oregon State, Minnesota, and SMU I can guarantee you that an overwhelming majority of the ADs, maybe even close to 100%, would prefer Group A to be their home schedule because it is a more appealing to major of the fan bases. The more appealing an opponent is to a fan base, then the better the opportunity to generate more money from the home game. Also, I can guarantee you that majority of the ADs, who end up with the Group B home schedule, will complain if they are relegated after 1 season because they did not have the opportunity to play the Group A teams at home.
Maroon Baboon Maroon Baboon
VT's schedule wouldn't even be close to looking like that.
It would be regional teams with likely at least 2 bell cows in it.
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
You are missing the point since the 8th division would be the only division
subject to promotion/relegation. Since most people on here don't know the "value" or "appeal" a G5 team has with other G5 teams, I had to tweak the example to only include schools that people are more familiar with. Also, it is entirely possible that the 8th division could end up being similar to my example because the promoted teams, regardless of the exact number, could end up from all the regions. Basically the pool of teams for the 8th Division will/could come from the AAC, Conference USA, MAC, MWC, Sun Belt, and any Independents not named Notre Dame. ** Edited by VTHokie2000 at 4/4/2024, 12:39:24 AM
Maroon Baboon Maroon Baboon
Ahh. I get it. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I think WRT the 8th (G5) league. There would perhaps need to be some tweeking with that. Too many possibilities to get into this late at night...catch up with you later.
VTHokie2000 VTHokie2000
No worries and I do agree with you that no one wants to extend the regular
season to 18 games. Hence why I think the G5 ADs and maybe even their Presidents would only buy into the plan if there is a guarantee that a team gets to play every other team in the division home and away 1 time before the risk of relegation comes into play. The money factor is too great to ignore given that any level (i.e. G5, DI-FCS, DII, DIII, NAIA DI, NAIA DII, etc.) you will find that every team does not have the same value/appeal. Heck that is even the case at the HS level. Even if the division tries to balance out the most appealing teams as evenly as possible, then you run into the risk Team A could end up playing Team B home or away multiple years in a row (assuming both teams were not relegated the prior year). That is an entirely different problem, but still connected to the home-away issue.