All of this reminds me of the BE days. Miami demanding better payouts
Even though the BE had a tiered payout based on bowl participation. That scheme made it hard for Miami if they didn’t do well enough in a particular season. They also had ND in all sport except football. When the ACC came sniffing, ND didn’t do anything to help the BE stay together, Miami was itching to go.
Now it’s FSU holding everyone hostage with threats, and ND not pulling its weight, and the only they could is to fully join. We can submit to FSU’s demands, but they will still be out the door the first opportunity they get, unless the ACC figures out how to close the revenue gap. I wish everything would just shake out now and be done. It’s been really hard to care much about college athletics with all of the money rolling in to some conferences but not others, loyalties dying etc.
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They didn’t have the 5 game requirement in the BE and didn’t have any interest in the BE football conference, so they would have no need to recommend expansion teams. Their only concern was having a place for non football sports. If you can go back and look at old TSL posts during ACC expansion, when it looked like the ACC was going to take Miami, BC, and Cuse, a lot of fans were unloading on ND’s deal with the BE.
I don’t fault ND for doing what they’re doing by staying independent. It’s what makes sense for them right now. I am just making the point that the ACC, right now, almost seems as dysfunctional as the BE was in 03, sans the non football members the BE had. Funny thing is, if the BE could have held together, it was and would have been a better fb conference than the ACC.
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** Edited by RJHokie at 8/10/2023, 1:12:28 PM
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Coker wasn't recruiting, he was going based on recruiting services ratings rather than getting players who fit). Miami headed in the wrong direction when they got robbed in the MNC games vs. OSU and they have not been back.
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What happens to FSU in the SEC?
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The unofficial ACC championship game in 04 was VT, Miami final game of the season. The two new members were immediately the top 2 teams in 04.
Miami’s problems were a series of bad hires after Davis left. Coker won a championship but recruiting took a hit under him and they never recovered.
IMO, the reason the ACC is in the position it’s in now is MIami dropping off a cliff, FSU sucking for 9 years, Clemson being mediocre for years. VT and BC in some ways had to carry the conference with a couple of decent years by GT. That is until 2011 when Clemson replaced VT.
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Papa Bowden knew what he was doing when he shunned the SEC and joined the ACC.
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HOO86
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Would he have won those in the SEC? Perhaps, but probably not.
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made all year. That and I love Frank (I know him personally), but he got so nervous in big games, and just made calls that he didn’t usually make during the year. That said, he was amazing with kids, and he loved them to the bottom of his heart, and they loved him too. Many people don’t know what an incredible human being that man is in the past, and today!!
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